I Would say none because in the chapter of toby and kabuto together Tobi asks what would happen if he didn't accept, to which Kabuto responds by summoning a sixth coffin containing Madara Uchiha. Horrified that Kabuto is aware that Madara is actually dead, Tobi agrees to an alliance, though he forces Kabuto to accept a few conditions. First being that Sasuke will not be turned over until after the war. And secondly, Kabuto will be watched at all times while at the hideout. Though Kabuto's summons were returned, Tobi was still uneasy about the sixth casket, while leading Kabuto into his hideout so he can assess his battle strength and reformulate his war plans.so tobi is not madara uchiha
Tobi's identity has already been revealed in the manga, so it is a spoiler. I normally don't spoil stories for people, but since you asked for it with 'or fact'... Tobi is Madara Uchiha. I'll leave the rest of the story unspoiled for you by only giving Madara's name, though I'm sure someone else will post a huge spoiler on Madara's background and the story line, and completely ruin it for you.
In the manga and anime, I think it's the same, Tobi is definetly Madara (manga page:?; anime ep.: season 6 - ep. 125).
As for the whole "Madara could be using Obito's body" reply, that could be true but there is still no proof of that yet (or maybe there is but I just don't know about it :D).
It is impossible for Tobi to be Obito because there are many factors that would stop that from happening the first and for most is Obito's entire right side of his body was CRUSHED and he DIED right then and there so seeing the Tobi uses his right eye that isn't true second Obito loved his village so it's not possible for him to betray the Hidden Leaf so in conclusion OBITO IS NOT TOBI
At first, I put my hopes up on it being Obito, because Kakashi wouldn't have a squadmate dead, but when I found out it was Madara, I was super shocked. He hides his hidden self really well, with the crazy personality that Tobi has. Lol
its madara! everyone knows that that stone that u saw when suske and naruto fighted he was the stone that was on the right i know that because im a fan of naruto shippden and naruto and i have the book that shows them fighting so its madara uchiha and no obito uchiha madara makes up tobi to ....... wait u need to find out all right if u want to watch naruto shippden go on www.holo.com
ok everyone bare with me here. Tobi is Obito/Madara. Fact: #1. Madara is SUPER OLD lol if he were alive im sure he would be dead by now. Of course its Naruto so the laws of reality do not apply so there could be some survial angle. #2. Tobi is in fact some form of Obito. In Manga 509 it is revealed that Tobi/Madara/Obito is attempting to get his eye.... Obito gave one of his eyes to Kagashi(sure is spelled it wrong but you know what i mean) #3. in this same manga M/O/Tobi states "Don't Underestimate the eye powers of an Uchiha Child" why is this a fact you may ask? well Madara was a founder of Uchiha so there for he can not be a child of the Uchiha because he was the first to establish the clan. #4. this my not really be a good on but i have seen the photos of madara with a cracked mask and he has the same hair, bandages and eye that Obito had. #5 notice Marada has his left eye covered. while Kakashi has his left covered. Coincedence?! HELL NO!!! lol Finally lets be honest none of us really know we can only come up this theories and that my fellow Anime/Manga fans is the best part. Enjoy :)
orochimaru had a jutsu that helped him to live young forever the one he took possession of someones body but only lasted 3 years i dont recal where he got that jutsu but it could had been madara's all along and orochimaru wanted sasuke sharingan so bad because he would never need to trade bodies again
hey...we dont know if obito is still alive!
obito died in the grass village and then so zetsu was walking around and will find him...then obito will be tobi...the two names obito and tobi are similar!
and the color of the hair and the eyes they have!
bu still we cannot say he is obito!
we all know that tobi said that he is madara...but who knows maybe he is fake!!!
my answer is that tobi is not madara and not even obito...i saw the new picture of tobi's mask and it was showing the both eyes....so he is not obito...and we cannot say that he is madara becuz madara died before as so long!!!
no one can be alive since 200 years!!
haha but this hapens in the animes!
but realy realy am thinking that tobi is a fake person...this is my answer....and sorry of this bad english i huv!!!
In I like the idea that madara stole obitos body and I kinda don't like to shatter anybodys theory but there's a big whole in the idea that madara stole obitos body in one of the later chapters there's a flashback showing naruto as a baby his dad was still hokage which means kakashi and his squad were likely children still at the time. Anyway at this time madara attacked the village again in an attempt to steal baby naruto(u guys all know why) and of course naruto's dad being hokage and all he kicked madara's ass with a good ol' resengan to the back. Ok so back to the point, if madara was super old when the first hokage defeated him and he did do a replacement with obito's corpse then wouldn't yodaime be fighting oil obito instead of big bad madara? Once again I'm not trying to destroy amyones theories so if u guys find a clever loopwhole to this predicament I would luv to hear it because in the retarded world of naruto anything is possible
Guys,let me tell u the real truth...Tobi is not Ucihaha Madara!We all saw Obito dying under the rocks,but no! Zetsu saved him and now he is controlling hes body known as "Tobi" The battle vs Danzo tobi lost hes hand and white fluid popped,witch was from white zetsu. Uchiha Madara have died before and he was in the coffin that Kabutomaru showed to Tobi and he got frightent. Thats the truth,Fans!
there are several indicators that madara/tobi or whatever you want to call him is really obito. He has the ability to control time and space with sharingan as kakashi does with his mangekyo, and kakashi has obito's left eye implanted. also whenever it shows madara, it only shows his right eye indicating he only has one eye. But consider how the character tobi/madara acts. In the latest episodes and in the manga, it shows that madara has evil intents and is just an evil guy to the core. if obito did somehow survive and is now going under the name of madara, why would he have any evil intents to destroy Konaha and take over the world?
Well in the manga,nt sure the exact chp., kabuto came 2 tobi 2 help with his plot..and tobi tried 2 get over on kabuto. So kabuto used his kuchiyosei edo tensei no jutsu and brought a casket up and revealed it 2 tovbi...at 1st the person wasnt revealed but the person did put fear n tobi... Then l8r to the current chp. 559 kabuto began losing the battle so he useed 1 of the ppl he brought bak 2 summon a new person...which turned out 2 b madara...so n my opinion i believe madara is dead and tobi has 2 b either obito, sm1 posing as obito...or the sage of the 6 paths still living, or it could b his younger brother?
actually you are all wrong, SPOILER ALERT. in the manga. there is a war happening as all of you kno, BUT when gaarra finished killing his father (impure world somthing :P) the 2nd mizukage whitch got brougt back to life was walking behind someone. and that was uchiha madara. HE was also brout back to life. that means tobi is not madara. if u want i can give the link and show u all to the manga. sorry to be a dick
ha it has a more probability of being obito than it does madara actually let me get one thing straight IT IS NOT MADARA if you do not like spoilers do not read on.kabutos secret weapon that he was talking about in the chapter reinforments arrive show that the secret weapon is madara there fore he is dead which leads to this question who is tobi no body knows he is reffered to as "him" but theres one thing i do know it is that the rinnegan is the evolution of the sharingan and madara has a susanoo,o .the possibilities iv picked out are ,obito ,hashirama or izuna those are my guesses but it could be none of them if youd like an explanation as to why i think these reasons are ask on my wall and ill explain why those are my possibilities
1. Tobi is missing his left (or right i dont fuckin no) eye sharingan, as we no obito and kakashi were once in a team, before the 'death' of otobi. kakashi takes obitos right (or left) sharingan to symbolize otobi living on through him.
2. in manga 559 we see that the real madara uchiha has been resurrected by kabuto by his jutsu. this is why tobi agrees to side with kabuto and give him sasuke uchiha.
3. tobi has only just completed his rinnengan recently, though we learn madara unlocked it before his death, years before tobi.
My big opinion i came with after lots of research is that it obviously cant be madara, and its also pretty unlikely from research to be Obito! So I have one idea that meets all criteria of being tobi! You want to know who im talking bout than read my article!
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He is neither in the manga he says and I quote(I think)" I am neither you say then just call me by my old name, Tobi, it truly does not matter nor do I care who I am" That is essentially what he said.
He changes masks... His other eye is a rinnegan like pain. It sure seems that the rinnegan isnt as rare cuz like 15 or so people have it currently as of chap 568.
Short and simple.Tobi and Madara are the same person.proof is in episode 125 of Naruto Shippuden.Obito has nothing to do with it and hate to break it to you HE IS DEAD!!!Obito died at age 13 and in his last moments he was paralyzed so he wouldn't be able to do a reanimation jutsu.He was also buried and has a grave stone marking.Proof on episode 120 of Naruto Shippuden.
Okay there has been many theories to this but here is mine:
How did Tobi know about the stone tablet in the Uchiha Hideout? Only full blood Uchihas can enter, if its not Madara... then who exactly is it?
Heres my Theory: Tobi appears at Sasukes side when he is in trouble, Zetsu isnt always around so Tobi isnt always informed yet he shows up to save Sasuke all the time. What I have been thinking is it is Sasuke... from the future. As "Tobi" says, once you reach levels of Sharingan more abilities open up, he has space time ninjutsu and has travelled in time before, exactly why it could be sasuke from a different timeline... if you say: " But oh, he has Madaras eyes " well, as tobi has been doing stealing the victims eyes, he could of gone back and got Madara's? Everything works out with this theory
I believe that Tobi is really Obito Uchiha because when you look at tobi and kakashi's eye powes they really function the same the only difference is that tobi uses it for a defence and kakkashi uses it for an attack.
kakashi's and tobi's sharingan power is the same.
both manipulate space and dimension.
sooo... the FACT here is... kakashi's sharingan came from obito. then the only logic in telling the sharingan power of kakashi and tobi to be the same is that both eyes came from obito.
BUT! that's only the logic. still.. manga is manga.. anything can happen. like... sasuke and itachi has the same power. madara too can do susano, amaterasu, and tsukuyomi. meaning.. obito can still have other uchiha that has the same power as his. BUT the thing is.. the only introduced uchiha that has the power of space and dimension as its mangekyou is obito though he wasn't the one that awakened it.
another thing is.. though this is not related to the question it's just that i want to tell this... how kakashi got his mangekyou? it's still a mystery but don't you think that the girl's death in minato's team where kakashi and obito were in is much more mysterious? obito and rin were kakashi's closest friends. so we could think that in obtaining kakashi's mangekyou it could be safe to say that he killed rin.
for me, I think that, Tobi wasn't Uchiha Madara, but Uchiha Obito. And there was three reason that I find out so far, for now...
1st- His name was Tobi, and if try to spell Obito name backward, and take the 'o' out, there's only left, "bito"=Tobi
2nd-Tobi sharingan eyes, entire time he's appear he always show his right eyes, not left. And plus, when Kakashi meet him, when Kakashi fight with Sasuke to help Sakura, and then Naruto came, he said to Kakashi-"Don't bother, Kakashi. That technique won't effect on me." He probably say that because, he knew his own eyes technique not going to work on himself.
3rd-When he meet Naruto in the battle field, there was a reveal that he, Tobi was not Uchiha Madara, then when Naruto ask him who the hell is he really was, he said that he was no one, and he didn't want to be anyone any more.. So it's pretty obvious that he was Obito, consider the fact that the entire Konoha village thought that Obito was dead, and that make him have no place among the Konoha village or anyone any more. So for that, it's make him no longer have identity.
That was my answer so far. But I don't know if there was different opinion in this matter. So then later!!
Tobi cannot be Madara because (spoiler alert) when sasuke kills orochimaru kabuto inserts his dna into him. So now that he has all his jutsus he starts the next great ninja war and he uses orochimarus jutsu that can revive the dead. During the war one of the past tschukage or something like that spelling... Who they think they captured, used the jutsu, then appeared in front of everyone with a revived Madara while is somewhere with kabuto... So I think tobi is obito :)
For one its impossible for Tobi to be Obito even though the names do have similar likenesses, but in a manga chapter and a recent episode you will see *Spoiler* Tobi fighting the paper girl from the akatuski and is shown breaking off his mask to reveal a sharingan in his left eye even though that would be the eye he gave kakashi. Im personally leaning more towards him being either madara or madaras brother
Obito- Obito's death took place 13 years before the main story. Tobi attacking Konoha took place 12 years before the main story. I do not Obito would attack Konoha 1 year after supposed/actual death. People say Obito can't be Tobi because he gave his Sharingan to Kakashi; It's just as plausible for him to have a transplanted sharingan, JUST LIKE KAKASHI.
Madara: He is not Madara... already confirmed in one of the latest Manga chapter. [SPOILERS] Madara Uchiha was confirmed to be in the sixth coffin, which was resurrected by Kabuto Yukashi.
With the information the manga has it is unclear who Tobi is.
yes obito uchiha is tobi causelook at there haie and tobi is one eyed like obito cause obito gave his other sharingan eye thats why kakashi has sharingan and kakashi tookoff his eye to they did not feel any pain cause one ofthere temates is a healer
Well call me crazy but what if hes nether what if he has his own story and is someone no one really knows
maby someone itachi thought he killed but somehow tobi escaped the fate of the uchiha this would explain his hate tward the hidden leaf because he knew that the hidden leaf had ordered itachi to kill the uchiha
But this is just my idea I have up in my head and even though I like this idea (probably because I would be so sad if tobi is obito because it would just kill kakashi so much) I still think tobi might be obito
Okay, listen guys, the best and most logical answer is that Tobi is Obito. Think about it, Obito lost his left eye to Kakashi, they only ever show Tobi's right eye. Yes, later in the series they show him fighting Konan, and yes, he has two, but it's more likely than anything that he stole it from one of the other people with the sharingan, also, he apperently has the ability to clone eyes or some such, because all the old kage's and people that he had Kabuto reanimate have a rinnegan and sharingan eye, and obviously there arent that many rinnegan users lying around to steal it from, and there arent many sharingan users left. Another thing you can point out are the name resemblences, but really even i dont think that means anything important. Also, tobi and obito have similar personalities, that is until tobi starts saying he's madara and goes nuts,but other than that they are pretty similar. Also, kakashi, who has one of obitos eyes, has similar powers to tobis eye, they can both do weird tricks with space and time, and when tobi shows kakashi his sharingan eye, kakashi flips out. Why would he flip out unless he showed kakashi that his mangekyo sharingan looks exactly like his own? And the reason that masashi kishimoto is saying that its madara, is cuz it is probably going to be the final plot twist, unless naruto and sasuke team up or something which is possible but unlikely. And if it was madara, why wouldnt they show his mangekyo sharingan? Hunh? Its not like he hasnt decided what its going to look like yet, masashi kishimoto already has that design and in a book, 42 or 43 i think, but tobi is never seen with it!!! The timeline also makes sense, im not saying it makes more sense than it being madara does, but here, madara would be extremely old, but he is MADARA UCHIHA, so its not impossible for it to be him fighting lord fourth, but tobi got crushed before minato even became hokage, which is proven because danzo's squad was trained by the second hokage, and they called him lord hokage still, and kakashi, rin, and obito all call him sensei or master, and minato was hokage for a few years before he fought nine tails, dont you think? So that gives Obito at least 2 or 3 years to train and get stronger, which shouldnt be that big a stretch, because thats all naruto and sasuke had and look how much stronger they got, and obito could have even had more time than that. And when Kabuto used the edo-tensei to show tobi that he had almost all the past akatsuki members bodies for reanimation, he summoned another body, now whos was that that it mad tobi so mad about??? Most likely, the real madara, since tobi's trying to be a poser madara. And alot of people are saying that obito's dead, that is not entirely true. We know he got crushed by a big rock on the right side of his body-guess who has weird wrinkles and cuts on the right side of their body too, TOBI- but even though he got crushed by a rock, it that really gunna stop him, or anyone for that matte