You know, there is an 'ask a Christian' forum on the atheist spot or you could just ask someone on the Christianity spot.

I don't think this question is really new, so I wonder what you plan to accomplish with it.

their are holes in both the sceince makes sense to me but i dont belive in a god because theirs no proof i whould half to see him am not going to blindly follow something either for now just dont care about it until the church or sectist have more info about it pondering this leads to one hell of a head ach think of what came first the chicken or the egg i think the chicken because i belive in evlotion

LOL! Sappp, I take the blame for this - I referred this user from the Christianity spot to the debate spot. Although, now that you mention it, the Ask a Christian forum would have probably been a better referral.

The reason I thought it was better here is because of how the question is phrased as a debate concept. Also, I didn't want to cause any misunderstandings at the Christianity spot, even though the Christians there are very patient.

I don't really thnik "Athiesm vs christianity", is a good title, as i see no reason for (Or any way how) to determine which is better. Religion is a subjective thing. Whatever people believe, they can believe. I'd say religious debate isn't trying to determine which religion/members are BETTER, rather than which beliefs are more accurate. And accurate doesn't always equate to better.

The question you raised is a common one, but still a very, very good one.
I suppose a Christian might argue that god isn't nessicarily a person, so he wasn't produced in the same way we are. So that mean he/she doesn't have a mother, or a father- it's not a human being.
Some may even say, that god is simply the beginning. And when there's a beginning to something, no-one questions who made the beginning. The beginning is just the beginning. It's a thing you have to have trust and faith in to understand.

However, there are a few people who DO believe god is actually a tangible being rather than a force, and I'm not sure how they'll react to your question. Perhaps it worth doing a bit of research, or asking a more "traditional" (Not the right word, but couldn't think of a better one) christian.

Your question is very deep and i agree with you- there is a lot of cracks in the therory of Genesis.
But there's a problem with the big bang therory to, which is very similar to your arguement- "If the big bang created everything, what made the big bang happened?"

pandawinx is what i was trying to say but is better at expalining it then me

God exists outside of time. It's complicated, but time and space don't mean anything to Him

"I don't think this question is really new, so I wonder what you plan to accomplish with it."
Very few questions are.
"LOL! Sappp, I take the blame for this"
Blame for what? He was just asking a question.

The title for this certainly is not the best suited for such a question. I'm neither atheist, nor Christian - if it is proved to me, visually, then I'll believe in a God. The thing is, the debatee actually makes a good point, how does God exist, if he created everything? amanda-sefton's answer is simply pointless, because I cannot comprehend how someone/some-being could exist outside of space/time - then life and the universe would really have no meaning whatsoever.

The point of the Christian (and Jewish, and Muslim) interpretation of God is that God simply always existed. Omnipotent and omniscient, God simply predates anything we know and are capable of seeing or understanding. As a Jew, I'm not quite certain I buy this line of logic (it's basically a tautological statement, "it is because it is"), but belief in God never really required a substantial amount of logic. Religion is a source of spiritual and emotional support for most people, so it need not follow a line of logic.

Meh, I don't understand how that could be possible. It certainly goes over my head, Whiteflame. Either way, I want proof of such a thing, before I ever decide to believe in it.

I have thought of this same question many of times but I don't think where he came from really matters. I have a question for Atheists. I do not judge people for their religions and I will not treat you like Christians are better than Atheist because they are not. But I have always wanted to ask many people, how does the scientific theory make sense more than God does? If you think about it, there are so many holes in the Darwin theory. How can an atom explosion create all of the life on Earth? I asked my friend (Who is Atheist) how it all works in her eyes and she said she didn't know all the details. She said it all came from Dinosaurs but, where did the Dinosaurs come from? As I said, I don't look down on people who are different religions but I wish I could ask everyone I met about this and see how they respond.

First, science and god aren't mutually exclusive- you can hold both true, at the same time. To put that aside though, and use your parameters: I think science makes much more sense than believing in some figure in the sky. It is based on observations. Hypothesis. Thousands of results go towards creating a scientific theory.
Now, the second bit always really annoyed me. You don't have a PhD in physics- you're probably not going to understand all the intricacies of the Big Bang in your lifetime. You do not have more authority in that field then physicists that have devoted their life to the study of it. It's like the whole climate change debate- there's no debate. People are arrogant to assume that they know more than climate experts. You can hold it as untrue, okay, but don't go saying "there's no evidence for it, there are holes, I don't get it".
That's an incredibly simplistic view of evolution you have there with dinosaurs, I'd recommend you research it some more so as to gain a better understanding of it.

'But I have always wanted to ask many people, how does the scientific theory make sense more than God does'

Because even if I do not understand everything right now, if I would commit myself to it, study science, it would. It is something that everyone can see. That is science: observing things, thinking about them, thinking of an hypothesis and testing that. It is here, around us and the fact that people deny it does not make it less there: for example everyone can see that things fall. The theory of gravity just explained how that happens.

Religion does not do that. Religion says how things are and does not expect you to think about it. You cannot observe religion. You cannot test it. You have to blindly follow what it is a book or what someone else tells you. Religion says you have to be satisfied with not knowing, not understanding.
And I want to understand everything.

Also, science does not shame or scare me into following it. Christianity does.

As a Christian, I guess an answer would be God just "is". Its really faith based, the wind has no beginning or end, neither does space, so why would God if he made all of this, have one either. There is no way for me to prove God on a scientific level or spiritual level its something that doesn't need logic for most of us. I don't know how this is an Atheistic vs Christian topic unless your trying to understand Genesis. But I would be happy to answer any questions about Christianity if you have some.

If God didn't create the Universe because he never existed, who did?
My theory is the Universe never existed, and this is a image of our conscience.
That also explains why I think psychologists and philosophers are the most important people in the world. We so don't exist and I must say, "YOU ARE NOT READING THIS."

@Rainshadow999. Why does 'someone' have to have created the Universe? If this is all just an illusion of the mind, created by the conscious mind, then we could simply say we are in the Matrix and be done with it. But, that does not fit with how the conscious mind is supposed to work. The best theory I have read explains that there are three important parts of this...

1. Mind

2. Consciousness

3. Thought

These are the three principles, originated by Sydney Banks. These three, together, make up the whole of conscious thought in the brain. However, there are a further three, which I read about in a book on self-hypnotism yesterday, which explain that suggestion, perception and one other are also important factors. There are also four other theories that try to explain how consciousness arose.

All I can say is that the natural world, and the Universe, are just as likely as any other theory. God, natural creation and all others are all unknown as to whether they are the cause of life, or not... However, humans do understand evolution to have a certain bearing on the creation of life... But, it is hard for me to say whether it is true, or not, as there are many discrepancies with Darwin's idea of evolution. As far as I know, most evolutionists follow micro and macro evolution, rather than Darwinism itself.