"Obama's middle name (Hussein) references Husayn, who was the grandson of Muhammad."
Uh oh. My middle name is Eliot, and it references the last name of the famous poet, T. S. Eliot. Does that mean I'm a poet now?
"Obama's claims of conversion to Christianity arose after he became politically ambitious, lacking a date of conversion or baptism."
Woah, woah, woah. He didn't date his baptism? Obviously, he's a Muslim! I mean, doesn't everyone date those things? Hell, I know my sister-in-law dated the time she spent in the Mikvah to convert to Judaism. And rightly so, she gives that info out on her business cards! Everyone must know!
"Obama enjoyed a bigger increase in voter support in 2008 (compared to 2004) by Muslims than by any other voting group, including blacks; 'Muslim turnout in the U.S. elections reached 95 percent, the highest Muslim turnout in U.S. history.'"
And, as we all know, he who gets the most votes from a community is a part of that community. Clinton's black and Jewish, who knew?
Yeah, these are great. Awesome work here bud, you've really proved it.
whiteflame, have you EVER met a christian with the name "hussein"? I think not. Its an islam name.
no, the muslim people know hes muslim like them and they want shariah law, and they know hes the one thats going to give it to them, so they vote for him. youll see... if he gets voted in for a second term, by the end we'll all be wearing berkas and singing "allah akbar"!
The only claim you made there that's supported by any actual evidence is that he has a middle name, and it's Hussein. As I pointed out in my comment, making an assumption based on someone's name is absurd. He didn't get to choose his middle name. I may not know any Christians with that name, but I do know an Indian Jew with a Pakistani last name. He's no less Jewish for it.
The rest of your response is so laughable that it practically responds to itself. If you want to believe all of that is going to happen despite the fact that, after 4 years, nothing akin to it has, then be my guest. I will similarly believe in the existence of pixies.
^^You can't judge a person's religion by their name(s). I might not know any Christians with Hussein as a first/middle name, but I do know several Atheists, Agnostics, Jews, Pagans, and Buddhists with "Christian" names like Mary, Joseph, Aaron, Sarah, Isaac, Deborah, etc.
Those names arent just Christian names, there western names. Its different to hussein.Hussein is purely a muslim name, and no one is able to come forward and say they have met a Christian named hussein.
I guess a rose by any other name... wouldn't be a rose? Unless it's a western plant name, of course. Then it's still a rose. A name means nothing. A name isn't a person's choice, it's what one is given at birth. Being a Christian is a choice. It just happens to be Obama's choice.
You should care, because why would you want a Muslim running the United States?? The muslim nations are our enemies! We can't have our PRESIDENT'S sympathies lying with them! i cant believe that notion does not make you uncomfortble in the slightest. He doesnt care about preserving Americas roots of Christianity, thats for sure.
I remember a month ago, after the horrific attack on the US Mission in Libya, Muslims gathered and held up signs, reminding America and the West that this did not represent them, that this was not who they were. It was touching, but also depressing that they even had to remind us that they are human beings, just like us in the first place.
Make no mistake - I take attacks on US missions VERY personally. Both of my parents are diplomats, State Department employees, who have worked at a dozen embassies across the world. On top of that, I am currently associated with the US mission in Ethiopia myself. My friend works at the American School in Tunisia and her classroom was attacked with Molotov cocktails and burned to a crisp. so I take an attack on an embassy, USAID, American school or any other mission office very, very seriously. So trust me when I say that if, despite the violence I have witnessed and read about, if I am capable of separating psychotic extremists who are using religion to mask their purely political agenda from actual Muslims, then dammit, you should be able to do the same thing.
I lived in Egypt, before the revolution, and I was invited to iftars and other Islamic celebrations despite the fact that I was "an infidel". They cared less about my faith, nationality and race and more about my humanity and welcomed me into their homes and shared their food with me. And when there was violence against Koptic Christians in Egypt by extremists, and they were afraid to worship on Christmas Eve, who was it that rallied outside of their churches with signs reading in Arabic "If they want to hurt you, they'll have to go through us?" I'll tell you who - a crowd of Muslims, protecting the right of the People of the Book to worship without fear.
When I came to Ethiopia, ten days in country and with only a crash-course amount of Amharic, I was welcomed with open arms by my host mother, father and brother, all of whom were Muslim. When I lost my appetite from altitude sickness, they still lovingly insisted I had to eat, and were so concerned when I told them my stomach wasn't feeling well that they went out and bought ginger to make me some tea so I would feel better. They didn't ask me once about religion, but loved to hear stories of America, and loved to tell me how much they respected Americans and the Peace Corps for their work in Ethiopia. During Ramadan, when they were fasting, my host mother would still make me breakfast and lunch after sunrise, even though she could not eat herself. They took care of me like I was their own daughter. And through all this, I wondered, what conservative American Christian would have taken a Muslim into their own home and have treated him so warmly? I mean... tell me, would your family do that? And I was ashamed of how horribly my country treats and discusses Muslims and Islam. I left that part of America out in my stories of my homeland.
Do you know any Muslims? Do you? Don't tell me you would never be friends with them - Jesus walked with prostitutes and sinners. Do you think yourself somehow better than Him? You are better than no one, least of all Muslims.
But it's not Muslims you fear, either. It's specifically Arab Muslims. Because the largest population of Muslims in the world is in - guess where? - Indonesia. And we've had NO problems with them over it.
Terrorism isn't fueled by religion, it's fueled by political agendas that use religion as a means to an end. Kind of like republicanism. Don't believe me? Read link of three Muslim Pakistani terrorists after a rehabilitation camp on why they decided to become suicide bombers.
Oh, but I'm sorry. Despite this being an interview, you'll still try and dismiss my point by claiming my source has a liberal bias - even though I doubt it's a source you've even ever heard of (Foreign Policy Magazine) because all magazines and all news sources but Fox no matter what are biased, right?
Well. What about personal experience, then? I dare you to discredit my entire account of my experience with Muslims. But please, by all means, tell me about YOUR personal experience with Muslims, KarbonKopy. Go ahead, I yield the floor to hear your riveting tales.
I'm going to have dinner with my Protestant landlord, now. Who is proud of his country's history of religious diversity and harmony for the past thousand years or so. Yup. Ethiopia's not a Muslim country - it's a Christian and Muslim country, and they get along and live side by side like the neighbors they are. They see themselves as Ethiopian first, and are all part of the same community. So why the hell can't Americans see themselves as Americans first, and all our religions, races, ethnicities, and backgrounds second? For once, look what we have in common - not how we're different, and therefor somehow less than you.
^I have not been here in a while and I come here and read this comment from you Cinders and I am reminded why I like coming here. Thank you, you're awesome!
Oh... my opinion. Sorry, I have debated this before, but I guess I am too European to see the importance. I have no idea what the religion of our prime-minister is or if he even has one. I have my problems with him but they are no way related to his (non)religion. So my opinion is mostly "Really? This is what you worry about? Aren't there bigger problems?"
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STOP THE PRESSES!!!
That scoundrel! He MUST be a Muslim!
Uh oh. My middle name is Eliot, and it references the last name of the famous poet, T. S. Eliot. Does that mean I'm a poet now?
"Obama's claims of conversion to Christianity arose after he became politically ambitious, lacking a date of conversion or baptism."
Woah, woah, woah. He didn't date his baptism? Obviously, he's a Muslim! I mean, doesn't everyone date those things? Hell, I know my sister-in-law dated the time she spent in the Mikvah to convert to Judaism. And rightly so, she gives that info out on her business cards! Everyone must know!
"Obama enjoyed a bigger increase in voter support in 2008 (compared to 2004) by Muslims than by any other voting group, including blacks; 'Muslim turnout in the U.S. elections reached 95 percent, the highest Muslim turnout in U.S. history.'"
And, as we all know, he who gets the most votes from a community is a part of that community. Clinton's black and Jewish, who knew?
Yeah, these are great. Awesome work here bud, you've really proved it.
no, the muslim people know hes muslim like them and they want shariah law, and they know hes the one thats going to give it to them, so they vote for him. youll see... if he gets voted in for a second term, by the end we'll all be wearing berkas and singing "allah akbar"!
The rest of your response is so laughable that it practically responds to itself. If you want to believe all of that is going to happen despite the fact that, after 4 years, nothing akin to it has, then be my guest. I will similarly believe in the existence of pixies.
I'm not saying this to validate claims that he's Muslim. I'm saying this to point out that the whole argument is moot and prejudicial.
I remember a month ago, after the horrific attack on the US Mission in Libya, Muslims gathered and held up signs, reminding America and the West that this did not represent them, that this was not who they were. It was touching, but also depressing that they even had to remind us that they are human beings, just like us in the first place.
Make no mistake - I take attacks on US missions VERY personally. Both of my parents are diplomats, State Department employees, who have worked at a dozen embassies across the world. On top of that, I am currently associated with the US mission in Ethiopia myself. My friend works at the American School in Tunisia and her classroom was attacked with Molotov cocktails and burned to a crisp. so I take an attack on an embassy, USAID, American school or any other mission office very, very seriously. So trust me when I say that if, despite the violence I have witnessed and read about, if I am capable of separating psychotic extremists who are using religion to mask their purely political agenda from actual Muslims, then dammit, you should be able to do the same thing.
I lived in Egypt, before the revolution, and I was invited to iftars and other Islamic celebrations despite the fact that I was "an infidel". They cared less about my faith, nationality and race and more about my humanity and welcomed me into their homes and shared their food with me. And when there was violence against Koptic Christians in Egypt by extremists, and they were afraid to worship on Christmas Eve, who was it that rallied outside of their churches with signs reading in Arabic "If they want to hurt you, they'll have to go through us?" I'll tell you who - a crowd of Muslims, protecting the right of the People of the Book to worship without fear.
When I came to Ethiopia, ten days in country and with only a crash-course amount of Amharic, I was welcomed with open arms by my host mother, father and brother, all of whom were Muslim. When I lost my appetite from altitude sickness, they still lovingly insisted I had to eat, and were so concerned when I told them my stomach wasn't feeling well that they went out and bought ginger to make me some tea so I would feel better. They didn't ask me once about religion, but loved to hear stories of America, and loved to tell me how much they respected Americans and the Peace Corps for their work in Ethiopia. During Ramadan, when they were fasting, my host mother would still make me breakfast and lunch after sunrise, even though she could not eat herself. They took care of me like I was their own daughter. And through all this, I wondered, what conservative American Christian would have taken a Muslim into their own home and have treated him so warmly? I mean... tell me, would your family do that? And I was ashamed of how horribly my country treats and discusses Muslims and Islam. I left that part of America out in my stories of my homeland.
Do you know any Muslims? Do you? Don't tell me you would never be friends with them - Jesus walked with prostitutes and sinners. Do you think yourself somehow better than Him? You are better than no one, least of all Muslims.
But it's not Muslims you fear, either. It's specifically Arab Muslims. Because the largest population of Muslims in the world is in - guess where? - Indonesia. And we've had NO problems with them over it.
Terrorism isn't fueled by religion, it's fueled by political agendas that use religion as a means to an end. Kind of like republicanism. Don't believe me? Read link of three Muslim Pakistani terrorists after a rehabilitation camp on why they decided to become suicide bombers.
Oh, but I'm sorry. Despite this being an interview, you'll still try and dismiss my point by claiming my source has a liberal bias - even though I doubt it's a source you've even ever heard of (Foreign Policy Magazine) because all magazines and all news sources but Fox no matter what are biased, right?
Well. What about personal experience, then? I dare you to discredit my entire account of my experience with Muslims. But please, by all means, tell me about YOUR personal experience with Muslims, KarbonKopy. Go ahead, I yield the floor to hear your riveting tales.
I'm going to have dinner with my Protestant landlord, now. Who is proud of his country's history of religious diversity and harmony for the past thousand years or so. Yup. Ethiopia's not a Muslim country - it's a Christian and Muslim country, and they get along and live side by side like the neighbors they are. They see themselves as Ethiopian first, and are all part of the same community. So why the hell can't Americans see themselves as Americans first, and all our religions, races, ethnicities, and backgrounds second? For once, look what we have in common - not how we're different, and therefor somehow less than you.
Oh... my opinion. Sorry, I have debated this before, but I guess I am too European to see the importance. I have no idea what the religion of our prime-minister is or if he even has one. I have my problems with him but they are no way related to his (non)religion. So my opinion is mostly "Really? This is what you worry about? Aren't there bigger problems?"
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