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Sexuality and Disney Princess Movies: An Opinion and Analysis

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This is my first time writing an article on Fanpop as well as on the topic of Disney but I have in fact written comprehensive articles about the place sexuality holds in American society so I at least can claim to know my facts fairly well. This is a break down on movie by movie basis exploring the sexual tones, or what I can pull since these are really films for kids, of not only the princess but also the prince as well as a few characters on the side. Let's go in chronological order!

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)

I think it is important to first foremost denote the ages of both Snow White and the seemingly faceless prince. Snow White is just barely stepping into womanhood at fourteen years old. She has no breasts and only the slightest suggestion of hips brought on by the tightness of her dress' bodice. She has the mentality of a young girl, blithely waltzing into the dwarfs' house, sleeping in their beds, and just generally carrying on in an endearingly oblivious manner. She is unaware of herself, her beauty, or how it might make others perceive her. It should be noted that while it didn't take much on the prince's behalf to gain her trust she was, however, initially frightened by him and his overt advances. But I doubt this is so much an awareness of how he as a man perceives her as a beautiful girl so much as he is a stranger wandering into her garden.

The prince is eighteen years old, the physiological sexual peak in a human male. What I find interesting about him is he's sort of... aggressive but fearful. He displays his potency in his forward manner with Snow White. After all he climbed her wall at the beginning and simply scooped her up at the end. Yet, at the same time, he retreats. He comes on strong at the start but once Snow White begins to flee he tries a different tact. He sings to her, drawing her out and portraying a more... gentleman-like conviction. He seems to me almost realistic in his behavior as odd as that sounds. Young men inexperienced in love will come out of the gate charging head on but when the girl reacts unfavorably he realizes he must use a gentler, less sexually aggressive tact. His attachment to her started off superficially as it does with most young men but when he sees she does not react well to such behavior he adapts to express he wants more than a cheap thrill. That he wants to be near her and to know her. He's one of my favorite princes for this reason. He's potent but not pushy.

Cinderella (1950)

Cinderella, unlike Snow White, is a full grown woman. She has curves, an adult facial structure, and a more mature perspective. She expresses frustration and irritation unlike Snow White that shows that she is not only kind but aware of the world around her. However, like her predecessor, Cinderella is not the most experienced with male behavior. In fact I would even argue to say that Snow White had a bit more sense than Cinderella when it comes to men. When the prince came into Snow White's yard and began to make his advances so forwardly so quickly Snow White fled while Cinderella declares Prince Charming's quick advances happily as love.

Prince Charming is rather forward with his priorities, skipping all other maidens at the ball in favor of the extremely physically attractive Cinderella. I would like to note something important about this: physical attraction is a sexually based feeling. When you find someone physically attractive enough to pursue as a potential spouse this comes from the desire to have sex with them. Is this wrong? Not at all! We all have to start somewhere! What I take issue with, however, is Prince Charming is demanding and makes superficial decisions. Much like the soon to be discussed Prince Phillip, he grabs and pulls at the girl of his choice when she tries to take her leave acting like she is a possession rather than a human being. Perhaps most expressive of his “possession-rather-than-human” feelings he doesn't even go out to find her himself, instead sending the duke to the grunt work for him as he cannot be bothered. It seemed more like sending a servant to track down a lost favorite toy than to find the love of his life in my opinion.

Sleeping Beauty (1959)

Prince Phillip is one word – aggressive! If I had to pick one Disney prince who struck me as the most sexually forward and advancing Phillip takes the cake no question. Had Sleeping Beauty not been a movie for families I wouldn't have a doubt in my mind that his interest in the beautiful peasant girl Briar Rose would simply based in carnal lust rather than any substantial emotion. He is a man that doesn't take no for an answer, often grabbing at Briar Rose or blocking her path when she attempts to flee. And he's not just aggressive with the princess but with everyone around him. He treats his father with mocking disregard, knowing full well that his desire to marry the pretty peasant girl would cause enormous strife between his father and Aurora's. But, in fact, it is this very same eager aggression that makes him so potent a hero. He faces Maleficent without a second thought because he is so confident and self-assured. His overt behavior coupled with his confidence really does ooze sexual potency in my mind. He is masculine to his very core, assertive and clearly a man's-man.

Aurora, on the other hand, is rather interesting in her mixed signals. She flees initially, embraces him, flees again, and yet invites him into her cottage. It should also be noted the stark contrast between her reaction to the arranged marriage problem in comparison to Phillip's. Phillip is domineering masculinity with a “Like I care what you think” attitude towards his supposed authority figure. Aurora, on the other hand, immediately melts into a weepy pile of tears of despair but would never go against the three faeries who are her authority figures. I'd also like to make a quick call back to Prince Charming about Phillip to explain an extremely sexually submissive behavior in Aurora. Phillip, like Charming, takes a less than emotional tact to the situation. Certainly much more than lazy bones Charming who couldn't be bothered to stick a shoe on some broads let alone fight a dragon but Phillip obviously views Aurora as his possession and thus perhaps his responsibility. After all he is a man's man and a woman once claimed needs to be taken care of! Aurora is interesting in that she immediately forms an intense emotional attachment to the man she met in the forest. So much so that she collapses into a weeping pile upon learning of her arranged marriage. And I honestly think her tears were for her inability to be with the man she “loved” rather than the fact that her ability to choose was being taken away. She is thus in essence much more willing to submit to Phillip's aggressive behavior as she has created the idea of needing him.

The Little Mermaid (1989)

It's the go-go 80's and it seems sexual roles have taken a bit of a switch this time around. Not to say Ariel is about to club Eric over the head and drag him into her sea-cave but that the female party is the far more sexually advancing one. Ariel is sixteen and of a very romantic mind so initial infatuation blooms in to full blown limerence or in her mind love. It should also be noted that her decision to pursue this is perhaps not entirely noble romantic. I read a strong feeling of spite towards her father, the common teenage “I'll show you!” sort of attitude. Once up on land Ariel is thrown into something of a quandary for a romantic: how do you win his heart without being able to speak and thus express your feelings? Ursula said it best, “Don't under estimate the importance of body language!” Ariel, perhaps not entirely meaning to but with an obvious tone of sexual manipulation, uses her physical charms to win her prince. During the “Kiss the Girl” sequence Ariel employs what I can only describe as bedroom eyes and even in their first encounter her fall into his arms seemed somewhat calculated, particularly in the knowing smile she shot to her friends. But to be honest I think this is a great thing about Ariel. She shows that women can and will display sexual desire and potency when they want to. She had the hots for Eric and damn it she was gonna get 'im, one way or another, and I think that's pretty forward thinking in comparison to her predecessors.

Eric on the other hand... well he shows goo-goo eyed admiration for Ariel, most notably during the dinner scene. Honestly, though, in spite of Ariel's overt signals his reactions are tepid. He clings to the idea of marrying the girl who saved his life, a rather romantic notion, and doesn't decide on Ariel until Grimsby presents the romantic notions of Ariel. Sweet, kind, right in front of him, and perhaps in my own mind the romantic idea of his finding her alone without a voice on the beach appealed to his sensibilities. Once he learns that his mute cutey is also his rescuer all deals are sealed and he's in it for the long haul even if that meant fighting a giant octopus witch. Hell I bet he would've been completely cool with Ariel being a mermaid at the end and a man can't bone a mermaid! (Well... not in the usual way any way...) Eric has me at a cross roads. I am definitely all about a man who wants more than a pretty face and has romantic notions but he seemed so... girlish in his romantic sensibilities that I found him unrealistic.

Beauty and the Beast (1991)

This time I want to talk about three characters: Belle, Beast (Adam), and Gaston. The problem with this movie and its attitude towards sexuality comes in its moral of inner beauty versus outer beauty. The Beast and Gaston exist in diametrically opposing sides and quite frankly reside in very extreme ends of the sexual spectrum.

To be frank, the enchantress must have taken the prince's balls as well as his humanity when she turned him into a beast. He is quite possibly the most non-sexually aggressive character I have ever seen. Now you might be thinking that his entrapment of Belle and sheer violent aggression makes him similar to Phillip but this is not so. The Beast didn't make Belle his prisoner to have her, he made her his prisoner so she could break the spell and make him human again. He viewed her as a tool initially, not as a woman. But as the movie progresses he begins to fall in love with her and he's awkward as hell. Belle accurately describes him as “unsure”. The Beast, unlike the extremely confident Phillip, is insecure and unsure of himself. He simply doesn't have the self-confidence to be sexually aggressive. Disney did this pretty much intentionally to make the expression of inner beauty against outer beauty more apparent. The Beast, while obviously aware of Belle's outer beauty, is very focused on her inner beauty. So much so that he seems like he's really... well... neutered.

Gaston, on the other hand, is like Prince Phillip ramped up a thousand times. He is extremely self-confident, extremely aggressive, and overtly advancing. Like a Disney prince of yore he corners Belle by blocking her path, pinning her against walls, and taking her things. He goes beyond Phillip though by being frankly predatory. I know this is a kid's movie but some of his behavior, particularly when he's inside her house, struck me as borderline sex offender behavior. And, unlike the Beast, he simply views Belle for her beauty. So much so that he wants her in spite of her personality traits that a man like him would find unappealing. Her sexual appeal is so important that really it didn't matter who she was on the inside. He expressed mild disapproval of her reading but at the end of the day it really didn't seem to matter to him either way as long as he got what he wanted. Gaston is an unfortunate example of anti-sexualism in our society. He is an evil person and thus is extremely sexually aggressive. Conversely the Beast is good and thus essentially an eunuch.

Belle is pretty much the same as the Beast. Unlike say Ariel, Belle seemingly has little to no thought for appearance and never once flirts or is advancing. It is a wonder that she and the Beast got anywhere at all! (I'll throw that one at Lumiere's work. He was the only sexually balanced character in that entire movie. A good guy who also lusted after women?! Gasp!) She ignores Gaston who is apparently the local stud muffin and was only shocked momentarily by the Beast's monstrous visage. I honestly don't know if this is good or bad really. I am an honest supporter of rich full attraction based on both personality and physical appearance. It strikes me as unpleasantly unrealistic to give off this impression that love must essentially be non-physical and asexual. It is also frankly unfair to throw around this idea that physical attraction is a bad thing.

Aladdin (1992)

I love Aladdin. He's eighteen years old, slightly insecure about his place in life, but a committed flirt nonetheless. His body language, and not to mention eye setting, when speaking to the harem girls in “One Jump Ahead” is fantastic. Perhaps he feels more comfortable flirting with them than Jasmine for two reasons. The first being the nature of their trade. Disney can never overtly discuss it but those girls were essentially prostitutes. Thus they are more comfortable with sexual advances than a princess who has only left the palace once in her life. The second is that Jasmine is a high-class princess while these harem girls, like him, are low class. They work for their bread in a business that is not exactly smiled upon. But in that same light the girls in the song seem to express a feeling of being above him. After all they work for their money while he's a thief. He may be handsome and a charmer but to these girls who gotta earn their wages being involved with him just feels beneath them. I like Aladdin a lot because he doesn't focus his sexuality solely on Jasmine. The harem girls in “One Jump Ahead” and “Prince Ali” along with the dancers in “Never Had a Friend Like Me” all get winning smiles and very overt flirtation from him. Aladdin is a wonderful balance of sexually aggressive and insecure. Jasmine certainly intimidates him to the point where he has to put on a huge act filled with splendor and excess. What's interesting though is that when he thought her a simple peasant girl he felt no insecurity with her. Obviously Aladdin is secure enough in his physical appearance that Jasmine's beauty was no inhibitor. His insecurity with her resided simply in rank. He had no money, lived in a busted up hovel, and had to steal for daily necessities. Why would this girl, whose personality he felt out when he thought her a peasant like him, ever want to be with him when she has everything in the world?

Jasmine is interesting in that while she herself does not express sexual interest, being something of a romantic as she fell in love with Prince Ali after he took her on a magic carpet ride, she does know how to use sexuality as a weapon. When talking to Aladdin on her terrace she begins to intimidate him by advancing on him in a sexually aggressive fashion, something he is obviously unfamiliar and uncomfortable with. He is so used to being the one making the rejected advances that when she is all the way up against him he even begins to retreat as he is so unfamiliar with it. Perhaps her most notable use of sexuality as a weapon is against Jafar. She strokes his ego, puts her arms about his neck, uses Ariel's patented bedroom eyes, and even kisses him – the Disney equivalent to sex. I like Jasmine a lot in this sense. She's not really concerned with sexuality but she is aware of it and she is aware of her own sex appeal. I think that's a really great and unique quality in a character who is obviously a “good guy”.

Pocahontas (1995)

Gonna admit it, I haven't seen this movie in a while. I'll get back to it once I watch it again.

Mulan (1998)

Mulan, the movie about cross dressing that let's me pretend that the heroine's love interest is delightfully kinky. Mulan is a girl who is pushed between two gender role extremes until she becomes comfortable somewhere in the middle. Her complete failure of the matchmaker's test shows her discomfort with overt femininity. After all, the song “Reflection” seems to be all about that as when she looks at the reflection of herself all painted up and beautified as an idealized thing of Chinese beauty she sees someone that is simply not her. But her time as a man teaches her that fleeing to the other end of the spectrum wasn't her either. She wasn't a man and her act was unconvincing at best. But it took exploring both her feminine side and her masculine side to come to terms with the fact that she was a tom boy. At her heart a girl but boyish in spirit. She is also the first Disney Princess to be sexually interested in her male counter part but not obsess over it. We see her marvel at Shang's physique when he removes his shirt and her embarrassed denial when Mushu confronts her about her crush. But she is a woman with priorities. Fighting for her father and land as well as understanding herself were much more important to her than going after her hunky captain. She is an excellent realistic balance and perhaps the most mature of the Disney heroines.

Shang has the slight problem that up until the end of the movie he thought Mulan was a man. He formed a brother-at-arms like appreciation for “Fa Ping” when “he” saved his life and I like to pretend perhaps a conflicted attraction to the unusually girly warrior. It is really no wonder at all why he's so awkward upon visiting Mulan at her home. Their relationship was taking a dramatic turn from trusted friend to romantic interest. Perhaps it is important to note that Mulan also proved that she truly was the same person male or female in front of him when she defeated Shan Yu at the capitol. She showed herself a unique sort of woman with femininity as well as masculinity, an ideal mix for the spouse of a military commander like him. Her femininity appealed to his sexuality obviously. She was beautiful as a woman and had female traits that would be desirable in a wife. Her masculine traits appealing to his personality and dedication to military service.

The Princess and the Frog (2009)

I am sure I'll get some dissenters out there but in my opinion Naveen was all bark no bite. His flirtation seemed more an expression of a care-free spirit than any sign of sexual aggression. He was certainly confident and outgoing but I never once sensed actual desire. I think at the core of it Naveen was too self-absorbed to be a truly sexually round person. He was caught up in revelry, a good time, and showing off rather than paying close mind to any particular woman. This obviously speaks badly of him in a way but it also allowed him to learn to appreciate Tiana in an interpersonal way. He didn't desire her but he was forced into a situation where he had to stop focusing on himself entirely and pay her mind. Tiana didn't play his games and didn't let him flirt with her to get attention. He had to work for her attention. I think Disney did a very unique thing with Naveen. They made him not overtly sexual without neutering him.

Tiana is a girl with a one-track mind. She's got stuff to do, places to be, and people to see! Men? They are at the bottom of her list along with fun. Much like Belle to Gaston, Tiana doesn't seem much impressed with the handsome man Naveen on first glance. No physical feature could make up for his irreverent behavior, which was a general affront to everything Tiana believed in. She, like her male counter part, was not sexualized but not made into an unrealistic creature like Belle. Tiana in her under layers is a girl with an eye for a man but she is in her own strange way self-absorbed like Naveen but in an opposing fashion. She is focused solely on her own goals and dreams, unable to pay mind to men as he is unable to entirely pay mind to women. I frankly didn't like the movie itself but I found Disney's sexual formation for Tiana and Naveen an interesting tactic to making a romance movie that is kid appropriate while not entirely unrealistic.

Tangled (2010)

Much like Snow White and her beau it is important to note these two's ages. Rapunzel is an eighteen year old girl with less world experience than any princess before her. She has literally been locked inside a tower for the entirety of her life and the first non-female human she ever saw was Flynn. Obviously this renders Rapunzel as confused about sexuality as she is about everything else. She is both terribly frightened by as well as curious about men. But her inexperience also renders her immune to Flynn's “smolder” and other various charming techniques. She doesn't begin to truly form an attraction to him until he begins to display disarmingly human qualities, such when he confesses the truth about his name. Rapunzel is a character I can forgive her lack of sexual interest simply because her story almost demands it. She doesn't know what makes for a desirable man. She's unequipped with the tools to form proper sexual attraction before emotional attraction.

Flynn, on the other hand, has a bit of the Jasmine in him. He never seems particularly interested in women and even says that his dream is to live alone on an island with riches. But he does know how to use sexuality as a tool. He flirts with Rapunzel upon introduction in hope of gaining her trust and thus securing his freedom. He hadn't counted on the fact that she was unfamiliar with “flirtation” as whole and would only find it an oddity rather than anything charming. She even flat out rejected his apparent secret weapon – the aforementioned “smolder”. However he does show an appreciation for physical beauty when he sees Rapunzel in the town with her hair braided. But by then he had already begun to form an emotional attachment, something probably profound for him as he seems the type without attachment to anyone prior. By the company he keeps early in the film it is clear he is usually around untrustworthy people and to find a girl whom he could actually relate probably help prod him to view her as a woman both emotionally and sexually rather than as simply a means to an ends. It is also important to note that Flynn is seemingly somewhere in his mid-twenties. He's more experienced in the world and perhaps more jaded than Rapunzel, thus leading him further down into a state of mistrust. Trust becomes a valued oddity and people often sexualize that which is novel as well as meaningful.

Well I hope you've enjoyed it. Once I can figure out a way to see Pocahontas I will write up my analysis. Last time I saw it I was probably six years old. That was well over a decade ago. Comments and opinions are welcome!
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Did you write a paper on Disney and Feminism in college too? Nice article. And about Pocahontas: Pocahontas is the first Disney female to be in a female-superior position during a kiss. Also, she kisses him, suggesting that her sexuality is considerably more dominant than John's. Also, Pocahontas' body type is the most likely to suggest female dominance: she's full figured, but tall and imposing, with square shoulders, and she stands with her feet spread apart, a power stance. While Jasmine was the first to have a seductive figure, hers was more on par with a "seductive woman." Pocahontas' was on par with a dominant woman. It's nice to find someone who likes this stuff as much as I do. :)
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Hmmm, question, when was it ever said that Snow White's Prince was 18? or Aladdin?
Love your descriptions- up to Eric. I don't find Eric unrealistically girlish in his sensibilities. He is a romantic and a bit of a dreamer. Picture this: you've just been tossed overboard in the middle of a terrible storm, when out of nowhere, an incredibly hot guy rescues you (in the middle of the ocean) sings to you on the beach, and then disappears without a trace. Had that happened to me, I would have been obsessed with finding that person too, and I am very un-girlish in my romantic givings. I completely understand Eric, he's just a more sensitive guy, and I don't find him unrealistic at all, in fact I find his tendencies very natural.
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even in their first encounter her fall into his arms seemed somewhat calculated, particularly in the knowing smile she shot to her friends. I disagree. She smiled like "yes! I got this!" after he brings her in, because she is so confident in herself, but I really doubt that fall was calculated or manipulated. By the way, I find Ariel the most forward of all the princesses, which is another reason I absolutely adore her. It's nice to see a princess who doesn't act shy or cutesy-flirty, Ariel is very up front about how she feels, although in that situation she has to be.

To be frank, the enchantress must have taken the prince's balls as well as his humanity when she turned him into a beast. He is quite possibly the most non-sexually aggressive character I have ever seen. You have to keep in mind that as the Beast was cursed when he was eleven, he had no interaction with girls afterwards until Belle, thus his "eunuch" tendencies are natural. When he meets Belle, the feelings that stir up scare him, and thus he acts and and has no idea how to deal with it. So I don't think she "took his balls", he just has no experience. And I sort of think being cooped up as a Beast, he's felt VERY uncomfortable in his body so all sexual aggressiveness sort of flew out the window.

I don't like Aladdin. LOL, that's my one comment. And it's for all the reasons you mentioned.

Hmmm, this is another reason I like Shang, he really does like someone purely for their personality, even though he could subconciously sense that Mulan was a girl while she was Ping.

I completely agree with you about Naveen, I think for him flirting was very just all in the fun, and while I don't think he was by any means a virgin, he was not someone who slept around a lot. I don't think it really crossed his mind, he just liked to have fun, which makes him very sexually immature for his age. Extremely, actually.

Flynn's age is 26, by the way. And I've noticed how people sexualize trust.

Great article.
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Well that is actually based on a physiological analysis done by the biology department at my university (UT Austin - Go horns!). It was a study of his structure, movement, physical aptitude, and other features. The analysis basically rendered up that he was somewhere between 17 - 20 years old though the most likely case being 18 years of age. I got the tracts in an art anatomy course. I'll have to post them here some time.
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CuteDiana said:
wow, i got bored so easily ! sorry but true ! and from what i've read, i disagree with you in a lot of points, actually most of them !
well, thanks for posting !
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@secretleaving- I've edited my comment as you can see, perhaps you can respond to those comments?
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Well, I strongly disagree with some of your points, mostly the Eric and Ariel part, but it's really good article.
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ClassicTV said:
....>.<....
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Aladdin's age - every source I've dug up says he's 18. I believe it is actually also mentioned in the cartoon. I'll try to find a particular video.

Ariel - I think for Ariel it was 70% acting natural and 30% conscious flirtation. I am still of the mind that the fall was slightly calculated but I can see your point of view entirely. That one is left to interpretation due to not knowing her intentions entirely.

Eric - I'm something of a realist and I have made it a part of my work to study the behaviors of men. Men do get romantic notions but are often guided by baser values. Eric seemed rather set upon his romantic notions. He was convinced that this girl, who in true logic seems unlikely, existed and she was it no question. It seems so unrealistic to me. I would think the draw to Ariel, who is so beautiful and so sweet, might tug him from his romantic notions without Grimsby's application to Eric's romanticism.I guess I just feel that Eric lacks realistic direction. He is one of my favorite princes over all (sexy sailor, what what!) but his sexual tones are overly feminine to me.

The Beast - http://timthinksthat.net/wp-content/uplloa­ds/­201­0/0­3/m­o..­.jp­g That is not an 11 year old boy. As far as I can tell Prince Adam was a young man upon being cursed.

I loved your comments, Princesslullaby, and would be honored to discuss this further if you would like! ^_^
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@secretleaving- Beast IS eleven when he got cursed, or around that age. The rose begins to wilt when he is 21, and lumiere says "Ten years, we've been rusting", indicating that he was eleven or so when he got cursed. Secondly, the BATB sequel: Enchanted Christmas depicts him as eleven years old. You can't tell from stained glass depictions, often times artists in that time period (although the time period can be disputed) painted their subjects to be much older than they actually were.

As for Eric, I love him too, and I actually was thinking to myself yesterday that he acts like a Disney Princess, and I admit I am no expert on men's sexuality, but I still don't see how it's THAT unrealistic. Just because men generally act a certain way, doesn't mean there aren't outliers, and doesn't make it unrealistic.

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Ah, I see. That renders beast rather similar to Rapunzel, doesn't it? He's had so little experience and contact with women as a man that he doesn't even know what to do when he gets there. I'll work up a revision then! Thanks for the notes!

And just so ya know, I tended to avoid the sequels. The artwork and script quality.... bleeeugh... (The only one I watched and liked was the third Aladdin movie. His dad is cooler than him.) Perhaps I should take the time to watch the sequels. To Netflix!

And CuteDiana - A little condescending.
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I love Aladdin's dad waaaaaaaay more than Aladdin, I'm too hard on Aladdin but I am not fond of him either way. As for sequels, meh, I like most of them. With some exceptions.

I don't think CuteDiana's comment was condescending at all. Just honest.
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ClassicTV said:
^I'm hard on Aladdin, too, princesslullaby. (Do you mind if I call you Jen?) And I EXTREMELY disagree with what was said about Phillip. And Eric and Ariel and...well, everybody! And who said that Prince and Aladdin were 18? Maybe Aladdin is 18 (I think he's 20), but Prince??? I don't think so.
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I agree with CuteDiana, I got bored really fast. Sorry! It was somewhat interesting though.
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@classictv- you can call me PL, no one on here calls me Jen. You disagree with what was said about Phillip? I completely agree, he is extremely sexually aggressive. What don't you agree with.
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ClassicTV said:
@princesslullaby: I disagree with the whole entire article! Besides, I don't like feminism, and it sounds like that's what it is. Nobody is better than anybody...men are not better than women, women are not better than men. I'm not criticizing her for writing the article, I just don't agree with anything here. Phillip's not aggressive, he was just trying to make her trust him. This article here should help you sort of see what I mean: http://ragnell.blogspot.com/2010/05/dissne­y-a­ctu­all­y-g­o..­.tm­l
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Dude, whether or not he was being sexually aggressive or trying to make her trust him, running up to some random woman and dancing with her is very aggressive, whether you want to admit it or not, that's a very aggressive move.
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ClassicTV said:
^It's not just the part about him being aggressive. It's nearly the whole thing that I don't agree with. I'm really not trying to be mean or rude, but sometimes I think that feminism and chauvinism and Women's Lib and all of that crazy gender-sexuality mess is a bunch of BUNK.
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Well, sure, Disney didn't make these characters to try to show the points mentioned, but it doesn't mean some of them aren't true.
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Ragnell said:
Okay, I've got to nose in since ClassicTV linked my blogpost above. I agree with the OP, Phillip is HIGHLY aggressive and yes, oozing with sexual potency and traditional masculinity. That's part of what makes his interaction with Aurora so fascinating. This is an aggressive "I get what I want" guy, who still manages to recognize that what he wants is a PERSON who has feelings he has to take into account and boundaries that he should respect. So he misjudges the situation at first, then apologizes and recovers. Then throughout the scene he has to remind himself not to go too far and overwhelm her. He's pretty much coded her as his wife and is certain he'll get that, but he knows he'll lose her if he comes on as strongly as he wants to and is actively softening his behavior.

I have to disagree he won't take no for an answer. He does instinctively grab and block her, but there's several moments in that song where he realizes what he's doing and stops. He's holding back so much after that initial mistake. (I maintain, dancing with his stolen clothes does come off as a HUGE invitation to come play.) He's got restraint and very clear respect for boundaries. Gaston's a great contrast to him, as an example of that virility without any respect for boundaries and consent. Without Phillip's restraint and consideration, you get a villain.

I love Phillip, he's my favorite Disney Prince because he's that sort of character that can embody masculine virtues without being incredibly disturbing about it when you stop and think about the situation. His aggressive traits aren't bad, because they're tempered by his virtues. He's a man in the height of sexual attraction and potency dealing with incredibly mixed signals, who still understands the delicacies of consent.

The OP is a bit hard on Aurora, I do think she can be read as more shaken by the disruption in her life than this idea she desperately needed the guy she met that afternoon. Agreed on the signals, though, the whole reason they meet is the stolen clothing and it's understandable that he would take that as her making the first move. Part of what I like about Aurora is that she sends mixed signals because she's a bit scattered and mixed up that day, not because she's purposefully playing a game with him.

I have to disagree with the OP on the Snow White Prince, though. He just struck me as an overbearing jerk, down to his softened approach being a forceful song of his own making rather than a continuation of Snow's song. I'd say I read those two movies in the opposite way she does, Phillip is my favorite for the pretty much the exact same reasons she gives for the Snow Prince.
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ClassicTV said:
^That blog was yours? Wow! I hope you don't mind!
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Ragnell said:
ClassicTV -- Oh, not at all. I like incoming traffic.
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I agree with some, but I disagree with others.
Agree-Rapunzel and Eugene
Aladdin and Jasmine
Naveen and Tiana
Mulan and Shang
Belle and The Beast

In Part Agree and Disagree-Ariel and Prince Eric

Disagree-Cinderella and Prince
Snow White and Prince
Aurora and Prince Phillip

Cinderella found the prince a handsome and kind person as well the Prince

The same opinions with Aurora and Snow White

Agree with the opinions of Prince Phillip and the prince of Snow White
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@ragnell- overbearing jerk? As soon as he sang to her, he apologized and said he didn't mean to frighten her. He asked her not to run but didn't chase after her OR grab her. He sings to her and doesn't follow her into the castle, he leaves. And the point about him not continuing her song...the song was over. He sang the last line. I don't see how that's over any importance. Sorry, but if anyone's the jerk, it's Phillip, he is WAY more pushy than The Prince.
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ClassicTV said:
@princesslullaby: Well, I really wouldn't say that the princes are jerks or pushy. In the article I mentioned, I agreed with the fact that Phillip is not an aggressive perv (although I did agree that he is stubborn), but I did disagree with what was said about about Prince being a jerk. Besides, I didn't think that there was any harm at all in "changing the song". (It's called serenading.) And I really don't agree with...well, I'm not even going to say what I don't agree with, because it's nearly EVERY single thing that's written up there. Like I just said, all of it is pure 100% nonsense! I know that she's only stating her opinion, and that's okay. No law against that. But for the love of Pete, don't turn this into a sexuality war! It's Disney, for crying out loud!
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Wow, everyone is getting really into this article... it was good, but I didn't agree with some of it... I just think this is all kinda "deep" for Disney...
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MCRTS said:
I like this article! LOL, I don't know how people can be bored reading it, it was so interesting to me. I agree with most of the points, actually, though I can't really judge The Princess and the Frog or Tangled because I haven't seen them. (Will get to them. One day.)

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This is why I prefer the modern princes. The traditional ones are downright creepy!
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324anna said:
Very interesting article! I agree with everything!
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