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Harry Potter Vs. Twilight Opinion Article

Why Harry Potter is better than Twilight

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This article was NOT written by me. I found this somewhere else as a comment and thought it was great and that it should be shared. Don't give any credit to me. I just copy pasted.

First of all- Harry Potter isn’t just a childish bedtime story. Nor is it shallow. A story based off a single dream has no depth. Twilight fans will never what kind of man James was before he turned vampire. Rowling, however, spent 15 years planning every little detail. She created a world within our own for her witches and wizards. She has based their heritage off of real mythology and history. Their spells are in a dead language and they have organized governments with strict laws. She has followed her characters’ stories from childhood to graduation and many times to their deaths. One of the best things about this series is that you can study these intricate details. The Twilighters can only argue about who Bella will marry. In Harry Potter, there are arguments over everything from Snape’s loyalty, to the cryptic meaning of Trelawney’s prophesies, to petty ship-wars. In Twilight, very few people ask the questions “What does she mean by that?” “Are these two little details supposed to be connected?” “How did she get that idea?” “Does this result differently than we think it will?” To Potter fans, these are common, everyday questions. Like an amusing childhood fairytale, Meyer’s “saga” is to be taken for face value; delving deep within will display its undesirable flaws. The mere fact that Harry Potter makes you think, makes you question Rowling, and causes you to come up with creative theories proves its superiority.

One of the primary arguments presented by Twilighters is that their book is more emotional that Harry Potter. I, however, beg to differ. Let’s delve into the subject of love, after all that is the primary emotion in Twilight. In Twilight, there is only one kind of affection found: an obsessive, oppressive, “without him I become a dull zombie” wet dream. Unlike Twilight, Harry Potter proves that there is incredible power in love, and that love doesn’t always work out. Unfortunately, I have to agree with WhatIsRightOrWhatIsEasy; neither of these books even compare in romance to Jane Austin. In Harry Potter, we have many different kinds of love present: Parental love, romantic love, sibling love, platonic love, childhood crushes, and unrequited love. There are two loves in particular that aren’t present in Twilight: parental love and unrequited love.

The parental love found in Harry Potter is incredibly rich. Molly Weasley and Lilly Potter are perfect examples of motherly love, and display it in their own special ways. Lilly sacrifices her life to protect Harry. The magic that results aids Harry until the Goblet of Fire. Stop and think about THAT for a moment. If a murderer or a kidnapper tried to separate you from your child, would you be willing to die to protect your child? What if you knew that there was only a slim chance of your baby surviving and growing up afterwards? This is one of the most beautiful acts of courage and selflessness in the entire series. The other super-mom, Molly, has an intense love for her children. While she scrambles to make ends meet, she still has plenty of room in her big heart for Harry and Hermione; Harry comes to see her as a second mother. She is also ferociously protective of her children. After Bellatrix attempts to kill Ginny, Molly singlehandedly takes down her daughter’s attacker. In Twilight, you neither see Bella’s mother or Bella displaying this much love and strength for their babies. The lesson: Never EVER mess with a mad mama- you will pay with your life. The Harry Potter men also make better dads. They support, protect, teach, and laugh with their kids; they wouldn’t think twice of dying for them, and will raise and care for their friend’s children. Sirius Black escapes prison and becomes a wanted fugitive to protect Harry, and later Harry raises Teddy Lupin after the Battle of Hogwarts. James Potter goes down fighting to protect his baby boy as does Remus. In the Epilogue of Deathly Hallows, Ron is seen loving on his daughter. Unlike Miss Swan’s father, he refuses to just sit around watching TV and be deceived. Instead, he jokes and encourages his daughter; it’s evident that he’s rightfully proud of her, and he’s going to let the whole world know that. Arthur Weasley is the same way. Love and dedication. It’s obvious that the Cullens stand no chance against that.

What about unrequited love, the most painful emotion ever to exist? All I have to say is one name: Severus Snape. After befriending Lilly as a child, he fell in love with her, only to be denied her love in return. Their original friendship survived house rivalries and Marauder ridicule for five years; even after losing her as a friend, Snape continued to love Lilly and remained fiercely loyal to her long after her death. The most emotional thing about Snape’s love for Lilly is that he felt that he was the cause of her death. He realized that his handful of mistakes lead to a lifetime of regret. He could have begged for death or even committed suicide, but he remained strong and kept all of that, pain, remorse, and love inside. Now that’s passion.

Another thing that Rowling succeeds in doing that is missed by Meyers is recognizing the reality of adolescence. Not everyone in the world is the popular new girl who manages to snag the hottest guy in school, and Rowling knew this. Where in Twilight do you see the person that everyone teases, turns their backs on, and snubs? They aren’t found in Forks. Who are the oddballs, klutzes, victims, social outcasts, recluses? They don’t exist. In Harry Potter, almost everyone takes these roles at least once, although there are some whose names stand out: Neville Longbottom, Luna Lovegood, Snape, even Hermione and Harry. Are there any idiots in Twilight who are likely to fail school? Beyond anyone who finds sparkly vampires attractive, there are no Crabbes or Goyles in that series. What about school bullies? And no, James and his little gang don’t count. Twilight, the utopia where people don’t pick on and torment each other has never existed, doesn’t exist, and until Judgment Day, never will. Just ask Draco. There are dozens of cliques in the teenage world with thousands branches, but Meyers chooses to only portray 3: the popular, ordinary kids, the mysterious “vegetarian” vampires, and a pack of Native American shape-shifting werewolves. In Harry Potter, the cliques can be as broad as the four Houses, or as small as an individual person. There are the Quidditch players, the study-holics, the quirky pariahs, the fan-girls of the current heartthrob, Dumbledore’s Army, Inquisitorial Squad, Slug Club, the pranksters, the Slytheryns, Death Eaters in training, etc.

The most important emotions and themes present in Harry Potter that isn’t even found in Twilight is prejudice. It is only alluded to twice in Twilight- werewolves vs. vampires, and Bella’s hybrid baby. In Harry Potter, it is one of the cornerstone motifs. There is rivalry between houses- especially Gryffindor and Slytheryn. “Pure-Bloods” shun their muggle-born counterparts, who they call “mud-bloods”. Part-blood wizards in Slytheryn are pressured to disown their muggle roots, which leads Snape to call himself the “Half-Blood Prince,” and Tom Riddle to become Lord Voldemort. Whole blood wizards and witches who sympathize with muggle-borns are called “blood-traitors.” In the seventh book, this blood-based discrimination is very pronounced; the Death Eater controlled Ministry of Magic orders a roundup of muggle-born witches and wizards, who get sent to Azakaban. Even Hermione, who manages to dodge court, gets a brutal taste of this intolerance. While captured with Harry and Ron in the Malfoy’s mansion, it is she who is tortured by Bellatrix, primarily for her blood status. That sounds like a real Holocaust to me. Remus, who is a good man and skilled wizard, is forced into permanent unemployment just because he is a werewolf. Dumbledore shows a mercy that looks beyond the common bigotry when he offers him a job as the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher. When parents find out his secret, they are outraged and force him to resign. Hagrid is even attacked by Umbrige, and it’s barely coincidence that he happens to be half-giant. Prejudice doesn’t even stop among wizards. House elves are reduced to slavery for wealthy wizarding families, and even in their freedom, most have no other occupation but in the kitchens. Goblins are held with mistrust by many wizards after they stage a revolt while seeking equality. Righteously outraged centaurs attack Umbridge after she calls them beasts of sub human intelligence. One of the reasons that Harry managed to win the final battle was that he and his allies managed to put their prejudices aside and unite to fight an evil.

In fact, there are many social issues in Meyer’s “saga” that lack conviction; for one, there is the almost total lack of social class stratification in Twilight. In Harry Potter, there are the incredibly rich Malfoys, the massive inheritance bestowed upon Harry, the middle-class Dursleys and Grangers, and at the bottom, the Weasleys, who survive from paycheck to paycheck (pre Wizardly Wheezes). Foreign influences in vampire world are limited to the Italian Volturi and a few feral vampires. Foreigners in Harry Potter include the French Beauxbatons and the Eastern European Drumstang- which includes the Bulgarian Viktor Krum. There are mentions of Foreign Ministries of Magic and even magical organizations in North America. While Bill worked as a curse-breaker in Egypt, and Charlie was among dragons in Romania, Voldemort laid low in Albania. During the Triwizard Tournament, different breeds of dragons from multiple nations are pitted against the competitors; they include the Hungarian Horntail, the Chinese Fireball, the Swedish Short-Snout, and a Welsh Green.

And don’t even get me started on the topic of feminism. Twilight is full of gender role stereotypes that ARE vampires- these sexist notions should have been dead decades ago, but instead continue to haunt this world and suffocate women of what they truly deserve. Here are some of the chauvinistic concepts present: Bella happily cooks dinner and cleans house for her father as he cleans his gun, drinks a beer, and watches football on TV. Like some housewife from the 1950’s, she acts like belongs in the kitchen. This is the 21st century, where guys can cook too! Despite Edward’s urging her to get an education and encourages her to hope and dream, she decides to stay at home, cook, and care for the family. Although I have no problems with a stay at home mom, something is definitely wrong when every woman in the series shares the same occupation. Methinks Meyers’ women enjoy staying home hiding behind their husbands. Then Edward decides to begin dictating who she may be friends with, going to the point of removing the tires from her truck. ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP ALERT!! Bella also completely falls apart when Edward leaves her, and only recovers when she begins spending time with Jacob. What’s with the constant need for a man in her life? Whenever she is exposed to peril, Jacob or Edward must come to the rescue. Bella isn’t even seen fighting side-by-side with Edward; usually she’s hiding somewhere behind him as he goes in for the kill. After discovering that Forks is in western Washington, I was even more surprised by this sexist point of view because Washington is usually pretty liberal.

This is much different than the Trio; Harry and Ron’s survival is quite dependent on Hermione’s intelligence, quick wit, and guidance. At one point, in the Chamber of Secrets, Ron ends up admitting “Where’s Hermione when you need her?” Compared to Twilight, there is no dearth of equality for women in Harry’s world. Here women can be feminine without being submissive. In the rough game of Quidditch, there are many talented female players: Angelina Johnson, Katie Bell, Alicia Spinnet, Ginny and Cho. The Holyhead Harpies is a professional all women’s team in the sport. Women also rise to prominent positions in government. Umbridge-no matter how corrupt she is- had a high standing position in the Ministry of Magic; later we learn that Hermione rises through the ranks in the same government and leads reforms that undo centuries of prejudice. They had their first woman Minister of Magic in the 1750’s! The muggle world was still being dominated by guys at that time. The females in Harry Potter truly kick ***! In the Battle of Hogwarts, students and alumni of all genders and ages unite to defend their school. Formidable female fighters on both sides include Bellatrix Lastrange, Ginny, Professor McGonnagal, Mrs. Weasley, and Tonks. Even Luna is a strong, quirky character who manages to hold her own.

And to everyone saying that the vampires of Twilight are fitter, sexier, and tougher than our wizards, I’ve got some news for you. You people really have your attraction priorities messed up. From what I’ve read of Twilight, I assume that by fitter you mean more muscular. Too many muscles on a guy is as bad as no muscles at all. In New Moon, Bella got pretty bruised up, if you know what I mean. You see, in Quidditch, the players get toned, flexible, and quick. Holding and navigating a broom probably requires strong thigh and hip muscles- when a guy has those, it’s hottest thing ever. Quidditch players also have to make quick swerves to dodge bludgers, twist their bodies to catch quaffles, reach just a little farther than their opponent to grab the snitch, and need strong arms to hurl quaffles and hit bludgers. Also, we Harry Potter fans know that brains equal beauty. A person can be the fittest hunk in the universe, but if they don’t have brains or wits, they are hideous. I’m sure that there are Harry Potter fans here in this blog who think that the Weasley twins’ witty pranks, Hermione’s intense knowledge, and any other genius, sharp-tongue, or Ravenclaw is a turn-on. Harry Potter’s characters earn their sexiness. Only the luckiest have genes on their side. In the terms of physical and mental attraction, I think that’s hotter than anything Twilight could offer- undead beings whose bodies automatically become glittery, super-strong, and super fast when they turn into vampires. So keep your “perfect” vamps; we have hot Quidditch players and gorgeous brainaics- the best of BOTH worlds.

I don’t think Meyers knows much about animals- either that or the fictional residents of Forks are incredibly stupid. In New Moon, these civilians describe the werewolves as looking like bears. Seriously, Forks is in Washington- they should know a bear when they see one! This detail is one of my pet peeves with Twilight because I volunteer at a zoo that has two Timberwolves, a Siberian Grizzly, and a pair of Black Bears. To set Meyers straight, bears and wolves are drastically anatomically and socially different. The closest they come to being related is that they both belong to the Suborder Caniformia.
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nati30 said:
this is one of the best arguments i have ever read, i wish more people thought like this.
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Mrs-Grint said:
^^ I agree. I want to send this person flowers.... and Stephenie Meyers HEAD!!
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^^ baha, now she wont be able to write any more. But, wait. She couldnt write in the first place. this is the best argument against twilight ive seen in a long time :P
i want to meet this person and give them chocolate.
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Haaahahahaha, wow best argument alive. Now if she could publish that ad send it to every Twi hard we'd have something cooking he he he. Mrs-grint if you want to send her flowers can you send mine as well. hell she can have a garden lol.
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ABDCFan- said:
I'd quite happily send this person flowers AND chocolates. One of THE best HP arguments i've ever read.
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Pretty good, but it has a few spelling mistakes.
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This is the best argument that I've ever seen. If I met this person, I'd give them flowers and chocolates, then hug them. :)

I challenge any Twilight fan who reads this awesome argument to come up with their own in response. I bet that no Twilight fan can actually come up with one.

HARRY POTTER RULES FOR EVER AND EVER!!!! (die Twilight...)
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HERE YOU GO, PIRATENINJA3815 (U WANTED A CHALLENGE FROM A TWI-HARD)
THE FACT THAT PARENTAL LOVE ISN'T IN TWILIGHT IS A LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DID YOU EVEN READ ALL OF THE BOOKS!!!!!!??????? IN THE 4TH BELLA LOVES HER DAUGHTER JUST LIKE EDWARD, EXEPT IN A DIFFERENT WAY! PARENTAL LOVE! DUHHHHHH! WHOEVER WROTE THIS ARTICLE IS A LIAR! IT GETS ME SOOOO MAD WHEN PEOPLE 'HP FANS' LIE ABOUT TWILIGHT! WHEN EDWARD LEFT BELLA SHE 'KEPT ALL OF THAT ''LOVE REMORSE AND PAIN INSIDE,'' TOO!!!!! SHE ''COULD HAVE COMMITTED SUICIDE, BUT DIDN'T'' TOOOOO!
''IN HARRY POTTER THERE ARE INCREDIBLY RICH MALFOYS'' ALICE GAVE THAT GAURD SEVERAL 1000 DOLLAR BILLS THAT'S NOT RICH ENOUGH FOR YOU?HAH! I'M NOT GOING TO KEEP CRITIZIZING BECAUSE I COULD GO ON AND ON (AND ON) IF YOU LIKE THIS ARTICLE YOU DIDN'T READ THE TWILIGHT SAGA AND THATS NOT FAIR! ONCE AGAIN THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS ARTICLE IS A LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2 days later... i see no-one has written back to me. sorry i got angry but it is true. this article isn't about why HP is better than twilight, just what they THINK twilight doen't have (which are lies)
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Quite a good article. Renesmee, while you may not agree with them, the amount of information about Twilight in the article shows that they certainly have read it. And I believe that they were complaining about the lack of class difference in Twilight, not that there are no rich characters.
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Okay Renesemee, pray explain. Please point out how all of the points that PMT posted above are lies. I mean no offense, I would just like to hear your defense on behalf of Twilight. You can't just say they are lies.
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Like i said, i'm sorry that i got mad but some of the stuff is not true
some of the stuff is true, though, i admit. but i still love twilight Here is another thing: in twilight it shows how love doesn't always work out, too. Bella and Jacob loved each other, but that didn't work, either. Another reason- you must remember that bella saved edward's...life/exsistence in the end of new moon, and she is just human while she hangs out with vampires and werewolfs of course she will need rescuing! ANOTHER reason- the wolves are bigger than most wolves, of course! theyre werewolfs! the people of forks THOUGHT (and were not sure) that it was a bear because they only caught a glimpse of the 'bears' they also stated that it was as big as a bear, not an acual bear. stephenie even stated in the book that the wolves were as big as bears BECAUSE they are werewolfs (not normal wolves) they are supposed to be killing vampires so of course they MUST be BIG!
oh, LadyLilith, i didn't just say that the person who wrote this was a liar. i also wrote WHY (did u even read it?)
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PMT said:
I love it when Twilighters try to defend the book. They give a new meaning to futile.
Soo. Renesmee717, I believe you first said that the parental love argument is bs. You don't seem to understand that all. By parental love, it doesn't necessarily refer to having a daughter/son and loving them. That's there everywhere in the world. Bella loving Renesmee is nothing special, just a normal relationship. But the parental love in Harry Potter is far deeper than that. It is of sacrificing life, and the power of love - how that helps Harry. It is about the truly emotional moments like the Mirror of Erised and Harry visiting his parents graves. And also of Molly. How she does so much for her family, how she takes in Harry and cares for him like a son. We see how their deaths are her worst fears in Ootp.
Where is that in Twilight? Where is the emotion and true depth in Bella's and Renesmee's relationship. As I said, it's just ordinary. There is no emphasis on that at all in the books. It's only about Edward and Bella (which isn't really a proper relationship if you ask me - lust, not love. But that's beside the point).
Now please don't say that Bella would have done everything, that her love really was this strong. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but the point is, there was no emphasis of this in the actual books. There was no message of parental love.
And that really can't be denied.
I would explain everything else you said now, but truly, I think I'm wasting my time. Your opinion's not going to change, you'll probably just deny everything I said without anything to back you. Also, I really should get my work done now and there's no point when I'm really just repeating everything up there in the article.
Maybe I'll respond later.
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Listen PMT, I know i sound kinda mad, but i don't altogether hate harry potter i once acually did a whole book report on JK Rowling
yes, your right, it did take JK Rowling 15 years to PUBLISH the book, but not to write it.
just because twilight books took less time to get on the shelfs and less time to plan, doesn't mean that they aren't great.everyone has there own opinion
Also, everyone has there own way of writing, and because you dont like it, does not mean it is a bad book
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PMT said:
Sorry, but I have no idea how your comment was related at all to mine. I never said anything about how she spent more time planning it. I was talking about your saying that there is also parental love in Twilight. Maybe you got something confused.
Also, I know about everyone being entitled to their own opinions, we've heard it all before, but that doesn't mean there can be no debate at all. I didn't mean my comment to be harsh, just pointing out some mistakes that I've heard a lot before and thought I might as well give a rant.
I don't feel like having an all-out argument now, so I'll just stop responding to the points you brought up previously.
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okay, back to parental love, then. there isn't only one kind of parental love and bella and renesemee's relationship is NOT an everyday relationship. what about carlisle and esme loving edward and the rest of the cullen family? how either one of them (carlisle and esme) loved the other cullens unconditionally and would die for them (including bella in the cullen family)? if that's not parental love, then nothing is. it also might not be the same parental love in HP but it IS parental love.
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Cythraul said:
Oh, so true! I've read a bit of the comments here (the one with capital letters for instance). And there IS parental love and all that stuff, but not much, and not in the same way. The "saga" is rather shallow, one could say. You don't discover new things every time you read them, and their pretty much bang-bang-bang; no mysteries. In HP things said in the first book are given answers to in the last. In Twilight, one gets the answer right away. But I totally agree with this article.
AND HAVE YOU READ THE END? It almost made me cry! And that was NOT from happiness. Seriously. That was really disappointing! (And all the other action scenes Meyer skipped -.-)
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and if u read the notes then u would see that i REGRET saying that and getting mad
and the end of what exactly?
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what do u mean action scenes meyer missed 'cause she didn't miss any?!!!!!!
the only reason u guys like this article is because it says HP is better than twilight!!!!
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this is what my other twi-hard friend KD has 2 say-
you people who like harry potter, shut up because twilight is oviously (dunno if that is spelled right) better than hp so SHUT UP BUBS!!!!! i will argue all nite if i have 2 u stupid, jerk, missbehaved,idiotic people that dont like twilight so........SHUT UP YOU STUPID JERKS!!!!! you freakin bs people!!!!!
i (renesemee) DIDN'T write this (she WILL write all night if she has 2)
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Uh, yeah, I read it. I never comment unless I read something thoroughly and have something to say about it. I am a HP fan, but it does not get in the way of analyzing another book. Harry Potter is really not in my mind when I speak about Twilight.

I am not here to fight, because that's retarded. I'm here to discuss things civilly about the books. What I like and don't like don't matter to me, I just want to talk about them. Yes, you did give some reasons, but you didn't really have any proof to back up your points. That's why I asked politely to go a little deeper than what you did, because I wasn't entirely satisfied with the answer. It just sounded like you were an angry fan trying to defend what she loves. I don't care that you love Twilight, but you responded very immaturely to the article. You could have just disagreed, and explained why. By getting angry like that, and saying some of the things you said, you made several people angry and think less of you. And that's not fair to you, I bet you're a wonderful person.

Also, just because you love something doesn't mean that you can't see the flaws in it. In my opinion, the parental love was implied in the Twilight series, but it was never really actually shown. A lot of things are implied in Twilight, but never really portrayed or put into detail. You don't have to think that Twilight is completely and totally perfect, because it's not. Nothing is. I do the same with things I love; I recognize the flaws involved.

Also, your friend should back up her statements and try and be more respectful. It seems like all she's doing is slinging mud at other people because they don't think the same way as she does. What she said was INCREDIBLY childish, I apologize because I know she is your friend.

I understand you like Twilight. That's fine. But please just be more openminded and be willing to talk to others who think differently from you. And don't take all of this so personally, I know you love it but it's just a series. And people will take you more seriously if you keep your cool and provide facts, if you and your friend just insult us we will always automatically ignore you. I don't say all of this as a HP fan, I say this as a book fan.

By the way, Edward and Bella's child is spelled Renesmee. No offense, I'm just pointing it out. And I definitely know this for a fact, too; I've read all four books and used to be a dedicated Twilight fan. I am not insulting you in any with all that I have said, I'm just trying to help.
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PMT said:
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Lady Lilith, amen. Renesmee717, tell your friend KD to get a life beyond Twilight.
OK, sooo. Renesmee717, now you're talking about parental love from Carlisle and Esme. Lady Lilith said this too, but I'm repeating it to show my agreement. I do think that Esme and Carlisle loved the Cullens as much as Lily and James loved Harry or Molly to her children, but where was that shown in the books? What did they do in the books that really put that parental love to the forefront of readers' attention?
The truth is, their love was given no importance in the books. There was no emphasis based on it, no lesson about this kind of love told. As I believe I said earlier, it was always about Edward and Bella's love. There was always emphasis on that and no time to say anything about any other kind of love, namely parental love.
And that's what this article is about. That Harry Potter taught lessons about both kinds of love, it placed great emphasis on both, along with many other things.
And with both kinds, there was actually something behind it. In Twilight, it was just that two people are attracted to each other, they begin to love each other, they have to be together and the books are about keeping them together.
In Harry Potter, the love was not that shallow. It was shown as a great power over evil, it was of sacrifices to save others and how that gave Harry power. More importantly, it was shown as what separates good from evil. Love was given far more importance and a different meaning. It was more emotional as it was tied in with death very tightly and death is perhaps the most emotional thing humans experience - that is so because of love.
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u are right ok i surrender. but i have 1 more thing 2 say ONE of the reasons u guys have more stuff 2 back u up is because the 'series' is longer than the 4 books in twilight (that is one reason why u have more, though) i don't want 2 be enemies. i really wish HP and T lovers would get along but i guess T lovers love different books than HP people do
and cythrual u didn't answer my question
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Cythraul said:
The end of the fourth book.
And she skips a lot of action scenes - in MY opinion - which it all builds up towards, and *bofh* it just disappears.

And of course, all this is ones subjective thoughts. I'm not fond of Twilight because it's not my type of books. So I really shouldn't be talking badly about them, but I still do, mostly because a lot of Twilight-fans have lost track and are insulting HP the best they can.
This article has a lot of good points, it has!

And I'm sorry that I didn't read the rest of your comments.
And I'm not sitting at the computer all the time, sorry -.-
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i know i haven't lost track
most of those twilight fans that u say have 'lost track' are those obsessive teenage girls. (even i admit that they are annoying)
sooooo... i guess i kinda understand what u HP fans mean when u say that twilight fans are annoying. but u must remember that not ALL of the twilight fans are like that
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Cythraul said:
Twilight fans aren't just annoying, they're friggin' scary!
And most of the fans, at least the group that stands most out, are the obsessive ones. And I know that not all fans are like that, but sometimes it's hard remembering *sighs*
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u are right but i no that im a twi-hard but (at least i dont think) im THAT scary
some HP fans are like REALLY scary when it comes 2 the auther and the actors i guess its like that withall books and movies (i know as a fact that HP fans are as scary as the obsessive twilight fans because my sisters friend is REALLY SCARY when it comes 2 HP)
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wow thats a long artical
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Cythraul said:
Yes, alot are... But here in Norway, Twilight-fans are way worse. HP has kinda lost it here. But Norway sucks, seriously *sighs*
"We" like/hate whatever is "in" *double-sighs*
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what do u mean "we" like/hate whatever is "in"?
how bad are the twilllight fans? (i've heard 1 or2 storys, but only a sentence or 2)
PMT, where are u living? (not for any special reason though)
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PMT said:
I'm Australian.
Also, to answer your question from sometime back, I think when Cythraul said that Meyer skipped action scenes, she means scenes such as in the first book, where there is a build up to a big vampire showdown and then Bella's unconscious throughout the entire thing and you don't see any of it.
So I'll just shut up about that now - I don't want to seem like I'm arguing.
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Cythraul said:
Norwegian teenagers - mainly girls - seem to have no free mind of their own >< If something is really hot/cool/something (><) EVERYBODY likes it. And if one doesn't like it, they mostly hate it.
Luckily, I live in a small place, where it's not that bad and lots of people are quite indifferent to it. But I know people who've lost their friends, been beaten, and so on, just because they don't like Twilight. And Norway is usually not that bad at all!

And yes, PMT, I meant that (among others) ^^
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*Highfive* to whoever wrote that thing. IT WAS AWESOME.
Why Harry Potter is better then Twilight.
The Harry Potter series can be read over and over again and be surprised about everything thats going to happen. You can memorize the whole series word by word and still have that 'feeling' when you read the book. But in Twilight, reading the book once is already more than enough. You can predict everything thats going to happen. All you can say about the book is that 'Who will Bella pick? Edward or Jacob?' But in Harry Potter, there are more characters and there are loads of things you can say. Even just simply talking about a minor character can give you loads of things to say. Twilight is just plain boring.
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that IS true, PMT, i admit but meyer DID write most of the action scenes in the "showdown" and when bella woke up edward told/reminded her what had happened and she clearly didn't miss much of the showdown
but Dazzlelight, most of the stuff u wrote are juust opinions, so u can't really say that those opinions are reasons
PMT, how do u make a question? no idea
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I agree with everything stated in the above article :)
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swiit14 said:
why the comparison? i don't get it. hp and t are books of two different genres.. i love both of them. but i must admit i love harry potter more. haha.. i can almost imagine how stephenie meyer would feel if she read all this criticisms about twilight..haha
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mdluvsjb said:
the one who made this rocks. but i think he/she should sort of finish it. i mean, there's no conclusion or sumthing. but it's really super cool. the one who made this has so much to say, so convincing, an stuff. nice arguments!
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nati30 said:
no offense, but i just thought of something: some twilight fans are stupid, SOME, no offense, just sharing my thoughts.
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Swiit14, I guess the comparison is because this whole group is called 'Harry Potter vs Twilight.' =]

I have another point to add in the 'parental love' argument. That is also how much the child loves his parents, no? Well, to me, it is. And from what I see, Bella doesn't really care much about them. I'm not saying she doesn't care at ALL because she does- but, I just DON'T feel it. She's ready to leave her father just because he won't let her hang with Edward- and she knows that really isn't a problem since he sneaks into her house every night without her father knowing. And she hardly EVER contacts Renee... actually shows us how much she loves her. And when she DOES contact her, it's usually always e-mail.
Now, Renesmee- some Twilight fans may say that she loves Bella a lot but stop and think. Bella is bothered by a fact- the fact that Renesmee loves Jacob as much as she loves Bella- or maybe more. Definitely more than Edward though- there's written proof in Breaking Dawn, no?
And from what I think, parents are meant to protect their children. Tell them to go away from danger... but Carlisle and Esme don't even STOP their children from fighting. It's almost like they don't care... =|

Renesmee717, Edward didn't tell Bella exactly what happens. And even if he does, it's probably only one paragraph or something. So, no, she wasn't in the showdown. In the second book, there was hardly ANY action. In the movie, there was... in the book, not really. Meyer hardly explained the fight between Paul and Jacob- she just shoved it aside by saying that they disappeared into the woods. And to me, the only action in the book was when Jane was torturing Edward- and I don't really call that action. In Eclipse, the action was described as dancing. Enough said. And in Breaking Dawn, well, no battle so I can't really say anything.
And no, being BIG doesn't make the WEREwolves. Werewolves are supposed to transform on the night of the full moon. And you can't argue because it is said in Breaking Dawn that they really aren't werewolves. They are shape-shifters which to me is a very pathetic argument because Meyer was too lazy to tie all the loose strands. Sad, really...
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yeh, yeah say what u want u will never agree anyway, so im going to stop wasteing time on u guys
u will always never stop 2 think about what twilighters say, but u tell us 2 think about what u say, just because u THINK you have a point
u hp fans who say thant twilight is simple and easy while hp is more advanced, u arent telling the truth i mean, my friend's sister finished reading the hp series in the 3rd grade, while she can't even read twilight (and thats not because her mom said she couldn't)
so i stop wasteing my time on u right now, because ur probably never going 2 open up and acually think about what im saying
its getting boring, anyway...(yawn)

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PMT said:
Renesemee717, you know as well as I do that I did actually reply to what you said, not what I made up or whatever you're trying to imply. Obviously I thought about what you're saying, otherwise how could I have replied to it?
And people don't judge how advanced a book is by whether a year 3 could read it. It's more about the story and plot - the messages and morals sent etc. Twilight is just a romance book. Harry Potter involves a multitude of things, far deeper than the lust in Twilight, such as death and sacrifice etc.
Take 'The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas' for example. It's from the perspective of a nine year old and is a very easy read. But the content is extremely deep. In the end, these two nine year olds die and they see how terrible the Nazi regime was. I'm sure your friend's sister would be able to read it, where she mightn't be able to read Twilight, but The boy in the striped pyjamas certainly has more advanced meaning and emotion.
But if you want to leave this argument there, then I'll stop now too. I just wanted to say that, because I've heard it from twilighters a LOT. I agree, neither of us will change our opinions, but I don't expect you or me to. I just wanted to explain to you.
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Renesemee717: We do stop to see what Twilighters say. That is just the thing; the excuses they make as to why Twilight is better have all been pretty desperate to the point where it has become pathetic, at least as far as I've seen. If you come up with any real evidence to support your opinion, feel free to share it. I can't think of any, but who knows?

When you say "just because u THINK you have a point", are you trying to say you can make a decent argument against our points (and by decent argument, I mean you cannot just say "U GUYS SUCK!!! U DONT NO WAT UR TALKING ABUOT!!!!1!". Use evidence.)

I'm not sure about what you are saying about Twilight being more advanced than Harry Potter is accurate either. Look at all the people who have read the books and could not understand the deeper meaning. Twilight has no deeper meaning, so it's just about getting the words right. I know 3rd graders who have read Twilight as well, and they understood it just fine. Harry Potter, on the other hand, is readable by 3rd graders, but when you read it later on, you see more and more meaning in the books.

You really cannot say we are not going to open up and think about what you are saying. Believe it or not, I actually liked Twilight at one point. I can't stand it anymore (I was one of the people who liked it before it was popular. All the people who liked it when I liked it seem to all hate it now as well. It's a faze you get passed quickly). You are the one not opening your mind to us. You insist that Twilight is better, but you don't even consider our reasoning and throw it aside and say we don't really have a point (even though you can't support that statement).

Your defenses are looking more and more desperate. If I were you, I'd go think up of some real evidence before you argue.
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Cythraul said:
LoveDraco123 (If it's wrong, I'm too lazy to check, sorry) has a really good point *just repeating what she said*

And Renesemee717, I began reading HP when I was six (In Norwegian, though) and I understood most of it, but every time I've read them again after that, I understand more and more. I've read Twilight twice, and nothing new came up, but the fact that I figured I really don't like them at all.

And like XDRoseLuvHP, I really looved Twilight once. Just the same way as I loved different bands and singers, but now I hate it. (May not the music, but totally the books)

And I listen to your "arguments", I think about them, comparing them to my meanings. But I don't get a grain of more respect for it. Especially not with all the poor arguments as well!
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Amazing article with very strong points.
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I am still confused. All the Twilight fans out there... will you help me?

Why is it that you like twilight so much. and i beg you not to answer because _____ is hot or its a love story, i got those two. What else? what makes you so attracted to twilight?

I would also like to inform everyone that caps lock is not always necessary. i find it easy to read something that is not in all uppercase letters. And it comes across better.

My favorite part of this article was that he/she talked about was the fact that the love in harry potter is so amazing. It is not the kind of love that is shoved down your throat, or something that makes you want to gag, its sweet. And the way love is delivered in hp is wonderful. SPOIL ALLERT Snape never once said outright that he loved Lily. But everyone knows that he did. I think that is just magnificent

thanks for letting me have my word twilighters please answer, thank you
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Orzan said:
OHHH BAM!!!

Harry Potter 3
Twilight 0
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I'm never too biased to say I LOVE HP, but I'm not that die-hard, I haven't even read the last book or the first book yet. But no offense, the Twihards are getting a bit overrated, as much as Harry Potter fans say their opinions they say their opinions and even offend people. And dobbyssocks has a point, the only thing twilighters say on why they love Twilight is because blah blah blah is hot or it's romantic. Okay, sorry but, what if your boyfriend was watching you as you sleep, or attempts to jump a cliff after you both break up, or having to let you give birth while you're a teenager.

Joanne Rowling (The K in JK Rowling was Kathleen which is her paternal grandmother's name) used one, two, or maybe four (Latin, English, Greek, Roman) of the world's least used languages, unless in their area, for the spells used in Harry Potter, and came out in a good result. She comes up with originality within the whole book, and merely did justice to literature, which Stephanie Meyers, grotesquely, did not do.

And I said it. I'm sorry if I offended any Twilight fan, but that's just me.
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Love this. However wrote it, they should expect a party. A few spelling mistakes, sure, but really.
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Fantastic argument. If any Twilighter can actually hold up a pro-Twilight argument against this I will give them a car. Well, maybe not but I highly doubt anyone can do that anyway so whatever.

Twi-tards: a car to whoever can give a winning argument.
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Renesemee, can you even listen to yourself?

You wrote: "IN THE 4TH BELLA LOVES HER DAUGHTER JUST LIKE EDWARD, EXEPT IN A DIFFERENT WAY! PARENTAL LOVE! DUHHHHHH!"

Let me get that one right: Bella loves Renesemee in a parental love. Edward loves her in a different way: So, what you are saying is that Edward loves his daughter in a non-parental way; romantic love, perhaps? Are you saying that Edward is a pedophile, dear Renesemee717? I've read the books, but clearly I've missed the part where Edward was a pedophile. I know Edward was a stuck up, and that is clearly shown everywhere; he's jealous, over-protective and generally - a maniac.
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