My updated post: On several sites, cynthiapren, makes a strong case for Dr. Whale being the Hulk, whose character was inspired by Dr. Frankenstein, Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde. I think she might be correct.
My original post:
I believe Dr. Whale is Dr. Frankenstein (not the monster but the doctor who creates the monster) - creator of the Frankenstein’s Monster and the Bride of Frankenstein and here is why.
Clues: I think the best clue is in the Singlebrooke Dating Service video where Dr. Whale describes himself as good at MAKING friends (emphasis mine).
What does he want in a woman? He doesn't want stuck-ups or prudes, every lady will get a dinner at Granny's, a single carnation (def. the color of human flesh - root word flesh), a visit to my condo where I will play the very best of Sting (Sting appeared as "Charles" Frankenstein in 1985's The Bride), and the sparks will fly (electricity that brings creatures to life).
Frankenstein and the Bride of Frankenstein were directed by James WHALE.
Dr. Whale wears white when he is a doctor, black when he was with Mary Margaret (checking out Ruby) and when he was trying to pick up Ruby under the streetlight. (interesting parallel between Sting's song, Moon over Bourbon Street and the scene where Dr. Whale tries to pick up Ruby - although Sting's song is about a vampire)
Inflated sense of self.
Classic “God complex” (classic could refer to classic literature)(Dr. Frankenstein played God and brought things to life).
Frames himself as victor in all conflicts (frame def. – To build by putting together the structural parts of; construct/The structure of a human or animal body; physique)(victor – victor Frankenstein)(conflicts – 1. A state of open, often prolonged fighting; a battle or war.)
Feels persecuted and misunderstood – paranoid.
Who is this man?
Perhaps the ogres are the monsters that he created.
Marvel Comic Book: The Monster of Frankenstein - Mary Margaret's flowers that she got from Dr. Whale are wrapped similar to Frankenstein's monster....purple with yellow ribbon/cord. Dr. Whale looks like Marvel's Dr. Frankenstein, and Frankenstein's monster bears an uncanny resemblance to the ogre.
This is probably crazy, and maybe way wrong, but the modern day names seem to hint at their fairy tale identities. The only "Whale" I know of right away is Monstro from Pinocchio. I mean, the psychiatrist can be a former cricket, why not a former whale for a doctor?
My guess is Pinnochio. He gets swallowed by a whale and he's a know liar. We know who Gepetto is and in the fairy tale world he had a son but where is he now? I think part of the curse is that he doesn't know who his son is since that would destroy his happiness.
I joined, just so I could add my idea. I think that Dr. Whale might be 'the boy who cried wolf'. I think that would explain why he is so good at lying and a bit of a snitch (also why he would work with Regina) and it could explain why he would have connection with Ruby (a wolf) and even Snow. Whale could be taken to be 'wail' as in a wolf cry or 'wailing on people' which is slang for tricking and gossiping. Don't know if as punishment for tricking the villagers he was punished in some way (turned into monstro?)
I don't have a definitive answer, but what about Gaston? Dr. Whale is full of himself (like Gaston) and since he seems to be in Regina's pocket we can say he leans more toward the dark side (like Gaston). And he's one of the good looking characters.
But I think the Monstro guess has the most logic to it since is name is "Whale".
Ok first off, we have yet to find evidence that the curse can transform someone human unless they were human to begin with. Second, with a name like "Whale" he's obviously somehow connected to Monstro. My theory is that Monstro hasn't always been a whale and, much like the Mirror, was once human and was transformed into a whale as punishment.
He is definitely the wolf but which one ? Theirs the 3 little pigs one (Unlikely) but more so the Red Riding hood one , because he keeps trying to hit on Ruby and try to date her, also hes a doctor and works with close blood around,,, so he's most likely the wolf :)
To push the discussion to the top, I will just post something here.
So, Red is the Wolf herself, Rumpelstiltskin is the Beast.
So, there is the man turned whale by curse theory left, right? But he doesn't have any special connection to either Gepetto, August or anyone from that story, does he?
The only persons he has a connection to are Regina, Mary-Margaret and David. And since he is constantly pushing himself in between Mary-Margaret and David, by calling Regina when David wakes up and by hitting on MM, and so forth, I think that he must be part of their story. And since we don't know how they got their kingdom back, who knows where he might have come in.
Or, as another sea-related story, he might be part of The Little Mermaid story. Maybe he is Sebastian... just kidding. Or Eric, since he is into younger girls, Arielle having been just 16. Just kidding again.
Maybe he's Peter pan, idk, but u know how Peter Pan never grew up, well a doctor is like the most grown up job, so I figure maybe, or, my other theory is that he's hook, because in FTL hook had a medical disadvantage, so in this world he can cure medical problems.
I know that its technically not a fairy-tale and thus probably not according to canon. But I was thinking, since all the characters is named something similar and reminiscent of their fairytale counterparts. Could it be that Dr Whale is the Storybrook version of the Fisher king from the Arthurian Legends.That whole part is laden with references to healing and fish...
i think he's the father of Ariel,,, King Triton..
I can see that he can be a good King Triton.. XD
Just like prince charming's father is a d.a.,
i think all kings should have a decent job in the real world.
So I may be completely pushing the boundaries here, but they’ve cast that guy from Lost as “The Giant” and hinted that there will be a Jack to go with him (aka Jack and the Beanstalk). Well they’ve basically revealed the actors playing all the new parts (Mulan, Sleeping Beauty, Prince Philip, etc.) EXCEPT JACK! So maybe Jack is Dr. Whale??? His family was poor in fairytale land so maybe Regina made a deal with him (similar to how she did with Mad Hatter) and now he works as a doctor and doctors make a lot of money.
I'm going with the boy who could wish for anything from "The Pink" by the Brothers Grimm. The boy created his eventual wife ("make my friends"), could do anything he wanted to (explaining Whale's arrogance), and turned his lady into a carnation --the single most beautiful carnation ever-- when introducing her to his father. He also created his own home-- Dr. Whale's condo?
While I agree that the name "Dr. Whale" most obviously points to Monstro (the whale from Pinocchio), I'm thinking he is Captain Hook, which still relates to the nautical theme. Producers have hinted that his identity will be revealed in Season 2, and the previews are playing up the captain everyone loved to hate. However, given the show's tendency to weave together multiple tales, is it not possible he could be both...?
This is one of the things that always keeps me up at night, but for some reason I think he is Jack from Jack and the Beanstalk. They have started filming that episode already, but have said nothing about casting Jack. Also close to when they started filming it David Anders tweeted that we were never going to guess his FTL identity. Call me crazy, but I think he is Jack.
We all that the people in Storybrooke have names that have to do with who they really are.
Well I broke down Dr. Whale's name this way... Doctor could mean someone Knowledgeable... Important... High Ranking or of title. And Whale... huge sea creature (maybe meaning his role in the sea is huge?)
There are many Kings in many Kingdoms... Prince Charming's dad is King, Belle's Dad is King, Sean's Dad, Snow White's Dad that died... etc etc
Why wouldn't there be a King of the Sea? Like King Triton or Greek god Poseidon?
They hinted to Dr. Whale having a "god complex"
And again Whale can be a reference to how huge an importance he has in the sea and Dr can maybe be a title hinting that he's King of the Sea?
I'm thinking the Hunchback of Notre Dame. Reasons:
Humpback (Hunchback) Whale
* inflated sense of self - could reference the "inflated" hump on his back
* classic 'god complex' - maybe "complex" refers to building, not ego, so the god complex could be Notre Dame Cathedral.
frames himself as victor in all conflicts - Story written by Victor Hugo
feels persecuted and misunderstood — paranoia? - Quasimodo was definitely persecuted and misunderstood
Maybe Regina cursed him in Fairy Tale Land but promised he would be handsome in Storybrooke if he helped her.
I think he is one of the charming prince(he is too charmy became some monster). We met James(husband of snow white) and Thomas(h. of Cinderella). Dr. Whale is the third prince who is fall in love with Red(Ruby),some point he has to save her but he is late, because the wolf kills her order of the Queen, but he can save her if he becomes a hunter. Maybe that's why he acts upon to Regina.
Or maybe Peter Pan who fall in love Ariel,Red or somebody else and the queen kills his lover.
or Robin Hood
Maybe he is King Arthur and the queen cajole him
or King Frederick or King Midas because of his gold hand
as we see he is one of the most important character of the series because they really hiding it.
I submit that Dr. Whale might be Hades (from Hercules). I'm only about 10% confident of this. Archie mentions a "god complex" so this leads me to think of Disney's Hercules (if OUAT is pulling mainly from Disney-themed creations). In medieval bestiaries, whales are thought to symbolize Satan.
However, "sparks will fly" and his penchant for flirtatious women doesn't seem to support this idea. He might be pan (Fantasia?), but where does "Whale" come in?
It does seem that most characters' supposedly real-life names have something to do with their story counter-parts, generally in one of three categories: direct translation (MM. Blanchard [white], Regina [queen], Ruby [red]); simple association (Mr. Gold [R.'s occupation], Ashley [Ashenputtle/Ashpet/Cinders, etc.]); or indirect association/reference/allusion (Jefferson [Jefferson Airplane - "Wonderland"], David [shepherd and later King David, eventual father of a Savior]).
Whale doesn't seem to fit the first two, unless "whale" really is the intended message, in which case Monstruo seems the most obvious choice.
The Dr. Frankenstein theory seems plausible but unlikely to me. ELO has a song called "Whale," which might account for the "sparks will fly" quip, but there doesn't seem to be anything particularly fairy-taleish about ELO.
I keep coming back to "god complex"; that seems like a strong clue. And with tonight's references (i.e., "you're not my prince," "we've listened to you long enough"), I'm even more intrigued.
I have a couple of other theories that are probably even more off. Here are some of them:
A lot of the "clues" of Dr. Whale's identity (beside his name, unless this is a pun on Wales the country) share parallels with the Disney film Thomasina. Not Quite Human (Dr. Jonas) is a possibility, though equally remote. Maybe an iconic American folk hero?
I think Dr. whale is Peter Pan. The producers said that after we know who he is, we'll be able to go back to the old episodes and we'll see clues to his identity. When I rewatched "Snow Falls" , I noticed something about the way Dr. Whale stands. He always has his hands on his hips or in his pockets. There's even a part where he's standing in the background with his hands on his hips and his legs apart just like Peter always stands. Also he knows David is a prince but David doesn't recognize him. Peter Pan knows about Fairy Tale characters because he goes to Wendy's window to listen to the stories so he can go back to Neverland and tell them to the Lost Boys. In "We Are Both" Whale asks about dating fairies. Maybe Tinkerbell?and finally didn't David Anders tweet one time that we'd "never" guess his identity.
from how Dr.Whale said "You're not my prince" to Charming tells me that he is big and strong and all that. It said in Archie's Files on the game "The Untold Stories" on Facebook in Dr.Whale's
-inflated sense of self
-classic "god complex"
-frames himself as victor in all conflicts
-feels persecuted and misunderstood
-who is this man?
This tells me that he is either King Triton or Hercules. I really think that it's Hercules, but i don't know. I guess we will just half to wait and find out
Dr. Whale can't be the Big Bad Wolf because the backstory for Red & Granny revealed that the wolf is actually Red when she doesn't have her cloak to keep her from changing. He has to be King Triton or Monstro.
Hi, so this is my first time on this site, I've been reading all of your guys comments and I was thinking could it not be Hercules? God complex, cocky, etc. Just my theory I mean he is part god, he does lack the build, but you never know
Everyone's theories are great; but, I can't seem to shake away from him being the Big Bad Wolf for the following reasons:
1. He's attracted to Red - A fellow wolf
2. He's a flirt - Like the wolf character
3. He pounds on the door of Regina's house in Season 2, Episode 1 - Like he pounds on the 3 little pigs doors
4. His Dr. Whale could Be Dr. WAIL - Meaning Howl like wolves do
5. He has a sly way about him - Like a wolf
Everyone has been throwing characters out like Monstro (too obvious), other unimportant characters. I would think the writers would throw in popular story characters that we ALL KNOW to make it more interesting. This is my theory, so we will see.
Anyone seem to forget what Dr. Whale said in season 2.. he tells David/Charming off "You're not my prince, meaning and sounding like he has another he owes loyalty to. Neither pinochio or big bad wolf have princes in them"
Perhaps....for me, with all the single brook thing, it's maybe, a little crazy but Simba? From the Lion king....
a. Good at making friends.
b. a single carnation
c. a visit to my condo (a huge land....??) where I will play the very best of Sting (In the Theatrical version of The Lion King, there's a part STING), and the sparks will fly (like when he saw her father in the field).
Classic “God complex” . Like a LION
I have no idea, could be anybody. Just that maybe for me it like Simba, and he shout to Charming "Your not my king" .... He said the exact same thing to his uncle Scar
OOMMMGGG YES he is frankenstein!!!!!! in the latest episode he tried to bring Regina's fiance back and he talked about his brother who was dead (in frankenstein his little brother william is killed by the monster)
i just finished studying frankenstein so this is quite amusing
Dr whale is the doctor who creates Frankenstein. I'm currently watching the episode right now where he brings back Regina's fiancée from the dead. In a flashback Dr. Whale asks the fairy tale Regina to call him "Doctor". Also, when her fiancée is brought back he becomes a monster (similar to Frankenstein)
He is obviously Dr. Frankenstein. Rumpelstiltskin refers to him as "making a monster, and he responds that it isn't a monster. Also, this is from the Wiki page for Once Upon a Time, "The name of his Storybrooke counterpart refers to movie director James Whale, who directed the movies Frankenstein (1931) and Bride of Frankenstein (1935)." And, "Unlike most known characters in Storybrooke, Dr. Whale is not a native to the Enchanted Forest, but to another realm. Frankenstein/Whale's presence confirms that Regina was able to bring people from other magical realms to Storybrooke through her curse." He is not Monstro or anyone like that.
in episode 4 of season 2 it is revealed that he is a doctor in his world as well as storybrooke, and sure my first idea was Dr Frankenstein, but purely because the other characters written by the brothers grimm i assumed him to be Doctor Know-all, but there is also the chance of him being Doctor jekyl and mr hyde, as well as, there is a high possibility im both wrong and i probably left out an obvious possible identity but just an idea to throw out before i finish the episde