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Eclipse And Jacob Kissing Bella

Opinion by Lunatic posted over a year ago
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Between Bella and Edward, their flaws made the plot for Eclipse. Edward with his overreactions and Bella with her lack of self knowledge.
If Bella had known she loved Jacob and if Edward had not overreacted and been more honest with Bella by telling her how he felt about Jacob (he was jealous and thus insecure), Eclipse would probably be my favourite. Yet, alas, the characters kept their secrets from each other and in certain cases from themselves.

If Edward had been honest with Bella, maybe she would've understood she loved Jacob, and it would have solved a lot of problems quicker.

They both had issues. I think the only person who didn't in that triangle was Jacob. (oh wow. I never thought I'd say that.)

The only thing Jacob did wrong was that he went about trying to prove that Bella loved him in the wrong way, and you can't be angry with him for trying since he did truly love her and cares about her and thus is afraid Edward will kill her (sad that Edward can over come his fear of Bella and werewolves, yet Jacob can't over come his fear of Bella and vampires).

Although he probably should have understood better that one day he may imprint and hurt Bella, he was blinded by that adoration for Bella. Had Jacob used better techniques, she may have gone with him, which for us Edwardians would've been bad, and so I'm not as angry for he attempt date rape (again! wow!) since it meant Bella was ticked at him along with team Edward.

Therefore, Jacob kissing Bella was a good thing.
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tubby2002 said:
Great article. I completely agree with you! And I am too glad that he messed up his attempts to win back Bella, cuz I am so happy that she is with Edward!
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well every 1 has their own opinions about this... but at any cost im glad that Bella & Edward are together ..Even with Jacob.. Bella still had that hole... & it hurt me just like her. it might have gotten smaller.. but it was still there.
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Lunatic said:
Thank you!
This is actually my side of a convo I had with another Twilight fan, but all the interesting parts were by yours truly so there isn't anything missing I could add.
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*claps* Lunatic, you're awesome. ;)
This is exactly how I feel about the triangle!
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DaGirl50 said:
Yes, you're completely right. BUT! What is it with this whole Jacob date rape thing!!!???? When in the world did Jacob try to RAPE Bella? Was it when they were kissing, or when he tried to get closer to her at the movies???
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Lunatic said:
*bows* ^_^

When I say he raped her, it really means he kissed her. I know it confuses some people, but it's how I remember it and it's the term I use to describe it.

... sorry...
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omgg!!
i just finished reading eclipse
i am soo confused maybe its becasue im slow lol
I am voteing for edward all the wayy, no offense i really hate jacob and hopefully he will find his own girl but does bella truly love Edward more? a little or lot.
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Lunatic said:
Eclipse is my least favourite, which means I'm only mildly obsessed with it.

I agree that Jacob needs to imprint and find his own girl (or if he chooses, his own guy), but I still like Jacob. He just has big problems.

I think Bella does love Edward more. (A lot more.) Although since her love of Edward is possibly the truest of true loves, that doesn't mean she doesn't love Jacob with enough power to light up all of Washington. It just means it isn't enough to overpower her love of Edward, which (since I already used the electricity metophor) could light up all of Earth and then some.

We know Bella truly loves Edward by in New Moon when he leaves. Bella doesn't act like a teenager who just broke up with her boyfriend, she acts like a grieving widow who just lost her husband and soul mate. Everything changes and Bella stops doing so much that she used to enjoy just because the pain of remembering him is too strong that it kills her everytime.
Bella truly, deeply loves Edward.

Bella truly loves Jacob. He fixed (well... attempted) her when she was completely broken inside and outside. Nothing was right and everything was wrong, yet he was there. While everyone stared at her like she was insane or waiting for her to prove that she was insane, he didn't. For that, who wouldn't love Jacob?

Yet, Edward comes back as we (almost) all had hoped. Even with Jacob there helping us all feel better, nothing beats having an Edward. Bella knows this, so when it comes down to choosing she never really had to think about it. Jacob was (almost) always there for her and she loves him for it, yet Edward is Edward (sorry, but I don't think there is an adjective that fits Edward quite right).

Bella can't not pick Edward. He was her first and strongest love. Ever heard that you'll always love your first love? Well, thats how it is for Bella. She can't not love him and she can not live without him. As great as Jacob is, he could never fix the hole left by Edward (although try he did). It was too big and refused to give in. That hole was much bigger than the hole that was made by Jacob.

In both New Moon and Eclipse Bella says goodbye to Jacob (first when he joined the pack, and then when she picks Edward), but Edward leaving her was always more painful.
In Eclipse she cries and in New Moon she is stunned. In New Moon when Edward leaves she breaks down so much that she can't even cry or think about it without breaking down again. The only time she can't hide from her (what to call it? It's more than depression or sadness) death (I can't find a word that fits better) is when she sleep, in which she screams and cries.

In conclusion (I think I went on a little too long), Bella loves Edward more.
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lol. This is really long and I hope I answered your question.
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like i said again you are the best
you have been the only one to explain it to me
:)
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Regarding your use of rape-

Rape is about control. The person gets off on controlling the victim. It's not about the sex, they don't get the same "pleasure" from sex than they do from actually forcing it upon the victim.

Jacob liked/loved her. (whichever jacob fans would like to argue). He was just naive. He doesn't have some psychological disorder where he gets off from controlling Bella.

How Jacob can be called a rapist, boggles my mind. I'm pretty sure most just over reacted and now see it differently. But there are still those odd few. Snap out of it and grow up. :)
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Lunatic said:
I do understand that theoretically Jacob never did rape Bella (go read the 6th comment), it's just the term I use. I'm sorry if it bothers you.

Jacob isn't a bad person, nor is he a rapist, he was just enthusiastic and really bad at body language. (Just so you know, I don't dislike Jacob. I like Jacob, but he just bothers me at times.)
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ok sure i don't get it!
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What is wrong with you people? Jacob is the best and DO NOT call him a rapist!!! Who wouldn't want a beautifully colored oversized dog to protect you? Awwww!
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Deefox said:
At least someone agrees with me that Jacob kissing her (the 2nd time) was a good thing. Leaving someone without telling them your feelings toward them is harsh in my opinion.

I'll be looking forward to Jacob imprinting... Unless he imprinted on Bella mysteriously... I doubt it though.
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Lunatic said:
I can't wait for Jacob to imprint! It's just too sad, him being alone. He won't imprint on Bella. It only ever happens the first time you see the person after you change.


And also, mrsblack_1089, if you actually read my comments before commenting you'd probably feel better.
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HotChix76 said:
If Jacob doesn't have a happy ending. This Twilight girl will be pissed. I don't want Jake with Bella. Jake is way better than that. Edward fans don't kill me for this but, *gulp* I only think Edward is ok. Don't get me wrong he is perfect for Bella. But this girl *major gulp* dislikes him. No not hate dislike. I only like him with Bella. His traits annoy me.
Edward + Bella All the way!
Jake + imprint girl Must happen!!!
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I think that the kiss is a good thing as well, though for a mostly different reason.

To put it simply: After all they had been through together, I think that both Jacob and Bella deserved to know exactly how the other and they themselves felt.
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accv said:
Eh? 2nd kiss? I seriously need to read the books. Was there a FIRST kiss that was left out in New Moon or something? I meant they almost kissed in New Moon.. was one of the kisses supposed to push through or was that part of the plot of the movie adaptation? Sorry I'm being retarded right now.. but I was just confused.
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Lunatic said:
I posted this over a year ago, before Breaking Dawn came out, so forgive me that I don't know exactly what you're talking about. ^^"

Reading the books would be a good idea.

There was no first Bella & Jacob kiss in New Moon. The first time they kiss was in Eclipse when he (forgive my lack of a better word) forces himself on her and she, in return, punches him.
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accv said:
Oh, no, it's perfectly fine. That's all I needed to know. Just the comments made it seem as if they had something in New Moon, that's why I was confused. But since I didn't miss anything physical from them yet, I have yet to look forward to reading and hopefully seeing it adapted into the movie. Thanks for the immediate response!
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accv said:
Alright so I finally gotta hold of the complete set (belongs to my brother's gf) and I decided to cheat and read the scenes where Jacob and Bells kiss. I couldn't resist. I knew I'd be looking forward to it... so I told myself might as well get it over with. :p And OMG... I loved both of them! I realize Jacob was a dick for doing that, but that was still HOT. Unlike the strenuous type kisses between her and Edward, I loved how loose the kisses were. Well, 'cept for the first one.. now that's just fucked up. But the second one was pretty hot. And I hope they can adapt them into the movie. It would suck if neither of the kisses were in the movie. At least one should be in it. But seriously... I really love Jacob for her. He does have a temper and all that, but he just seems so much healthier for Bella. And goddamnit, Jacob is a lot more fun to be around. :p I still love Edward, I do.. just.. I think I find more of the positives to come from Jacob's end.
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Hi Deefox,
I Agree with you Completely.. It WAS a Good thing.. Jake kissin Bella.. I Loved that Moment & though Felt Broken Inside when I was at that Page reading it... I felt like I've got sum Hole in my chest as well.. :)

Im Truly in Love with Jake..
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Gunu said:
Hey i m frm india....16yr old....n weak in english...soo pardon for wrong spellin n meanings..

here i goo,..

i think jacob deserve's sum1 better than bella....as bella used her in new moon...she herself said that she used to feel alive with jacob..n promised jacob that she wud nvr let him do wrong....but the moment she saw car of that wampire girl she became arogant towardz him...she even asked him to leave[indirectly]...she used him...
i dont hate ''wampairs'' i loved them in twilight but in ''new moon'' jacob iz the real hero...a heart healer...n a true lover...

i understand bella waz hurted wen ''edwerd'' left her....
but jst answer me theze simple Questions???

wat iz more painful...

Q1-The one u love hurts ''U''
......or.....
the one u hurt still loves ''U''

Q2-wen u cant b with one ''u'' love...
wud u b wid the one who loves u...??
n if yes...

then wud u leave him/her wen ur previous love returns??????....


THINK OVER IT......
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I LOVE TAYLOR LAUTNER HE IS SO SEXY AND SO AWESOME ALL YOU HATERS ARE SO CONFUSED ROBERT PATTERSON IS NOT SEXY OR CUTE AND I DONT THINK JACOB SHOULD DATE BELLA BECAUSE IF SHE HAS TO THINK ABOUT IT SHE IS ALSO CONFUSED HAVE YOU SEEN HIS BODY IS AMAZING!!!!!
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i would love to kiss jacob he is so hot and sexy but i would be afraid of kissing edward cause he want the blood so bad what if he bit you while kissing him omg omg i would scream
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jacb is so hot!! angry i dident get to kiss him lol
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have you seen eclipse i sore it on sunday i loved it when jacb tock his top off sexy!!!!!!!!!
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g0algirl said:
He is sexy
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hopey1998 said:
your all crazie taylor latner is way hot and with his hair cut i know him me and him are like bff's my daddy also owns a hotel and i live in it oh ya and im only 15 and oh heres taylor now too bad so sad oh all you haters suck bye b****'s
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Wolfie15 said:
Personally, I am glad edward got with Bella. Jacob is hot enought that he could so soooo much better! <3
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i luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuvvvvvvv jacob!!! he rocks n is so innocent
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im not on team jacob. but y does he get all the famei mean really every1 wasnt on his team in the first movie. and i know y every1 chose his team in new moon cuz of his body. im happy though that he finally got his chance and got 2 kiss bella.
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Hollyj28 said:
This was a truee storyy;)

I really like this article,I really do!And Jacob kissing Bella was a GREAT and WONDERFUL thingg to do♥

Anyways,this articale is wayy truee!This article is the bestest<3

I need to see Eclipse!♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
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ktubilla said:
wonderful love it
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nice
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yes, this is so true! I also think that the only reason jaco bloved Bella was because his fate was to be with Renesmee, but since she wasn't born yet, & bella wasn't pregnant with her, he became attached to Bella, because that was the closest he could be with renesmee when she wasnt there. (hard to explain)
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lindsa1 said:
i am on team jacob!people on team jacob send me a message.thank you
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mandi04 said:
Heres what i think...........Jacob helped bella when she was at the lowest in her life. But bella only has love for jacob, she wasnt in love with him. He is young and didnt understand that until BD. Bella always loved edward, not jacob. I was very agrivated with jacob, b/c he thought he could make bella love him, but she didnt. its sad and i feel remorse for jacob, but bella cant help the way she felt. she made the right choice in the long run ne way, b/c in the end jacob has Renesmee. Everyone s happy now:)
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luvutoo said:
Your article is basically a recap of what Stephenie says on her website aboutthe characters. I agree with how you characterize all the characters except the date rape attempt, it wasnt anything like that. But all those character flaws to me is what makes Eclipse my favvorite book. If they didnt have flaws that pushed there emotions it would be no plot, no story worth reading. The reason why Eclipse is my favorite book is because of the flaws, the mistakes, the regrets. They werent perfect, life is messy and thats what makes the characters so relatable. No disrespect to you, I just feel differently. Thumbs up to Stephenie. I wouldnt change a thing about the book.
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Lunatic said:
... I would like to remind everyone I wrote this two years ago.
(Hell, Breaking Dawn hadn't even been released at the time.)
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shit wow on twlight taylor luanter is fuckin hot
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taylor lautner is the sexiest thing everrrrrrrrrr !!
and guess what... i tottaly agree with you !!!!!! <3 TAYLOR LAUTNER <3
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spikerluv said:
hell yeah i agree
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bella made the right decisionand in the end evy one is happy
i >3 taylor
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Edward+Bella=Win <3 (:
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