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Why Youtube Sucks

Opinion by greedo posted over a year ago
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One of the recent YouTube outage messages.
For a lot of users, the world of online video sharing begins and ends with YouTube. And, to a certain extent, it did for me too, up until a few months ago. Over the past few months YouTube seems to have become less and less compelling. In fact, I find myself using the site less and less and going to other upstart video sharing sites with greater frequency (like Dailymotion, Bolt, Guba and others).

Now I can't knock the success of YouTube. These guys pioneered simple, easy and addicting video sharing (the guys at iFilm and Atom Films must be kicking themselves that they missed out on YouTube's winning formula). And the fact that they were acquired in a $1.75B Google buyout speaks volumes.

BUT...

All this doesn't mean I'm going to stick around. Here are a few reasons why:

1. Copyright crackdowns
Yeah, I know. It's not right. But copyrighted material is the reason we all went to YouTube in the first place (comon', admit it!). And, by all accounts, it's one of the signifcant factors that led to YouTube's stratospheric rise. Post-acquisition YouTube, however, can't swing quite as freely, so we've seen a marked crackdown on copyrighted videos on their site ranging from rapid removal of movies, to tv shows to short tv clips and excerpts. The crackdowns also create a lot of uncertainty for uploaders. If I'm uploading something in that "grey" copyright area, should I bother with YouTube knowing that it might be removed the next day?

2. Server outages
This one drives me nuts. YouTube still seems to be the most outage prone top 10 web property I've ever encountered. Whoever is managing the server operations, production upgrades, etc. should be fired. Late summer the outages were really bad. I remember several in a single week with one even occuring in the middle of the day. Even last night, during primetime surfing hours there was a lengthy 1-2 hour outage. I know they're dealing with growing pains, but outages just plain suck. If I can't count on your site to be around when I need a fix (and I'm already dinging you on point #1), then once again, I'm off to greener pastures.

3. The 10-minute cap
I know you can get a special account that lets you upload longer length videos, but the 10-minute cap for free accounts is completely lame.

4. Upload Woes
Uploading to YouTube is like playing Russian Roulette. You never really know if your video is going to make it. Sometimes when it does, you get strange video artifacts from the compression/conversion routine (this has happened to me a couple of times with perfectly good source material). I've also experience long 12-36 hour waits for my video to be fully processed and posted. This is painful when I need to get something up and available quickly. I've used several other sites for video uploads and have had the video post almost instantly following upload.

5. Search Indexing is Slowwwwww
The new trailer to The Simpsons movie premiered the other night and I figured I'd check YouTube to see if it was available. Of course, when I received search results for Simpsons sorted by date the most recent clips available were from over 16 hours ago. And this isn't the first time I've seen this on YouTube. YouTube's search index updates far too infrequently for a site with such a rich library and constant inflow of new clips. I went to Google Video and sure enough, there it was (along with freshly added videos in the search results).

To be fair, YouTube still does a lot of things very well. There is no other site out there with the breadth and variety of video offerings and the huge audience means you have the *potential* to get your material in front of a lot of eyeballs. The recent Google acquisition (hopefully) means that server issues, upload woes and search indexing will be improved with the help of a technology-savvy and deep-pocketed parent. And with the biz-dev effort to strike meaningful content partnerships with the large media companies there's bound to be more legal content on YouTube. But all of this will take precious time (and lord knows we webizens are an impatient lot).

So while I will still be using YouTube for some of my video sharing needs, it's no longer my primary nor sole source for online video. There's just too much great stuff being posted to Daily Motion, Bolt, VidLife, Guba, OUOU and other sharing sites out there (and as always, I'll be using Fanpop for organizing and grouping cool videos regardless of where they're hosted - gotta love the eps on the Galactica Spot).

But enough of my rant, what do you think? Does YouTube suck? Are you using it less? Are there other alternatives you think are more worthy?

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lemming said:
amen on all counts greedo!

this is why the lemming only embeds from dailymotion
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grovulent said:
Don't forget that youtube doesn't share its revenue with its users. You can use a site like www.infectiousvideos.com to embed your videos from any video hosting site and receive 50 percent of the ad impressions.
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Great article! You have a high hit on Google, which is great, because people need to hear this stuff. Before Google, YouTube was great with content, but there were many problems with their interface (i.e. playlists not showing up, profiles not updated correctly, bulletins being posted hundreds of times, etc - I'm sure everyone noticed it). Now there are less problems, but the copyright thing has gone from mildly annoying to downright ridiculous. Within a week of the Google deal, six of my videos were removed, and after the last one my account was permanantly removed. FOUR of the videos were of an online game, whose owner I referenced, you know "Blah blah blah is a registered trademark of blah blah blah". If YouTube followed the DMCA laws to the letter on every video, a huge percentage of their content would be gone.

I don't agree with the DMCA, and I realize it's hard for YouTube to yank its own stuff. I'm mostly fed up with the big companies being so damn anal about copyrights! The effect on profit of people putting up videos about their product is virtually nothing. What is most upsetting is when a company threatens a lawsuit. I mean, be realistic, it's a stupid file-sharing site, why do they freak out about everything? Especially the big ones! Disney, for example - they are up to their ears in cash and yet they want to sue some non-profit website over nothing. It hurts their image more than leaving well alone would hurt their profit.

Again, a great list, and I also choose to stick with smaller sites that don't get crawled every day by corporations.
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Uyab1 said:
Well for me youtube has become more of a nightmare . My account was hacked and taken over .
All my personal info was posted on it aswell as my videos being removed . that was 4 days ago and with over 10 request to youtube for help they have done not one thing .
Myself I think it's run by people who are incompetent and with management like this it's only amatter of time before they hit bottom.
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ptneves said:
Google Video + YouTube = more is less
But why should we care? We just open another window/tab and use other site; it’s their loss.
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frothies said:
Amen to the first one.
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apsham said:
Yeah we should be able to do more illegal stuff! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
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Bretfan said:
For way over a month maybe two or three seemed like more content was being filtered in rather than out. Well Watch out! And for those who still upload, SAVE YOUR STUFF and start using the sites to download other videos. keepvid.com/ or www.saveyoutube.com/ or www.youtubex.com/

I put Youtube tonight under news in google and these two links came up:
http://news.com.com/Watchdog+group+eyess+Y­ouT­ube­/21­00-­1..­.tm­l
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/worldbiiz/­arc­hiv­es/­200­7..­.21­9

If true not good and back to more crap like earlier this year! In case your too dumb to click the links:

YouTube to test technology that removes pirated video

AP, LOS ANGELES
Thursday, Jun 14, 2007, Page 10

The popular video sharing Web site YouTube will begin testing video recognition technology in an effort to help remove pirated content.

The test will begin next month with hopes that the software, designed to recognize copyright content in videos, will be ready to roll out later this year, the company said. The testing will be in conjunction with partners Time Warner Inc and the Walt Disney Co.

The site's owner, Google Inc, has pledged to adopt some kind of solution to identify copyright content on its site so it can remove pirated content or negotiate with owners for a license.

and

For weeks, Ken Boehm blanketed the Internet as he hunted for video clips.

But the former prosecutor is no YouTube fan. Boehm is chairman of the National Legal and Policy Center, an independent watchdog group known for digging up corruption in the nation's capital.

The NLPC is perhaps best known for uncovering wrongdoing in a $21 billion deal between the Air Force and Boeing in 2003 that resulted in jail time for two Boeing executives. The group is looking beyond the Beltway and has begun examining copyright violations at Google, which owns the YouTube video-sharing site.

"Many millions of dollars in intellectual property is being taken without the knowledge or approval of the property owners," said Boehm, 58. "Google has forced these property owners into a position of chasing their own content on YouTube, a sort of Whac-A-Mole effect. Ultimately there has to be a fairer way to do this."

Boehm said at this point he only wants to "stir up whatever trouble I can to get the attention of folks."

In his first move, he has compiled a list of more than 125 full-length feature films and TV shows that, according to his estimates, cost copyright owners about $150 million. His list includes Warner Bros' Blood Diamond, Paramount Pictures' Juice and NBC's The Office.

The film studios and TV network confirmed that the links provided by Boehm were to pirated content.

Watch OUT! Youtube IS STILL NOT SAFE TO USE! The guy who wrote this blog is right on everything he is saying. Use Rapidshare or something else. Can't advocate most other websites as all of them are being targeted.

P.S. There is no more google video as expected it finally merged with youtube. which was expected because...duh...google bought youtube. A search for video on google now just links to youtube search results meaning....all the idiots who uploaded on google video lost there content. Enjoy! Plus yahoo video has changed over and over again. Read months ago daily motion was sued big time and it is still around even though it seemed that it would close back then. I lost my train of thought and addresses to some other such sites that are out there, but none is as huge as youtube. I am in fear it will get fucked up Again! I returned to post news clips. After reading this crap tonight...I am aiming to tell everyone I can in the comments sections at youtube. But the freaking site is down tonight to maintenance. Idiots could be already deleting. The original people who created youtube are money hungry losers. All the jack asses Like Viacom can kiss my butt.
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i have to say that ouou and youku (?) are amongst the worst for watching. at least where i am here in new england,USA, north America.
They are the slowest ever , and when i find a link to a movie that leads me there- or youku, etc- i don't bother anymore!

I'm still finding videos on google video btw. videos of feature length, etc. so i wonder if google will keep it going because the general public seems to be treating them as different products?
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I agree. As a former heavy user of U2B, I believe that they have now started sucking. Hard. In addition to the stupid behaviours you've listed, they've also started arbitrarily deleting user accounts without warning based on old comments found on old videos from a year ago. Note that the comments in question HAVE NOT HAD ANY COMPLAINTS LODGED, and the comments are not obscene, irrelevant, spam, or otherwise in violation of any of their published terms of use.

YouTube is not a "community". Youtube is site run by an idiot, full of sound and fury and copywrited material, signifying nothing.

YouTube totally sucks. Use the other sites mentioned in these comments...like collegehumour.com, stickam.com, and others. These sites actually respect the users, pay the users, and are not run by utterly incompetent hacks.
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goodman84 said:
Ya, youtube has a new thing Mantiance time, Which is praticly every second of every day, And during it you can not upload, watch flagged vids or edit ur profile! LAME
Personaly I think the best site is: www.letsvidz.com/index.php
Mainly because I own it lol.
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yeah, youtube really sucks! 1 year ago i registerred on that page. now i trying to create a new acount. the old one deleted. and I CAN'T REGISTER! I EVEN CREATED A NEW E-MAIL! BUT NO... YOUTUBE IS... IS... IS... A SHIT!
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googleccd said:
Youtube leads its the best ever, and i use it more and more everyday, so fuck off noobs, maybe u say that cuz your new to the youtube business
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googleccd:

I think you are living in the past. One of these days, because of the "not available in your country" crap, someone will take advantage of their great weakness. And that will be their downfall. If you are in the "wrong side" of the world, never use youtube, because it really sucks and there is a large chance that when you are searching for a video, an error message "This video is not available in your country" will pop up.
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angry
youtube sucks ya know why?
1-you don't have infinite comments, ya comment a few videos you need to write something stupid and unessesary
2-youtube takes off the sound of some music videos, thats stupid!!
3-if youtube wants, youtube deletes videos, very cool ones, youtube is a sack of shit!!!
4-youtube sucks
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googleccd you understand 0% about youtube, youtube rocks and sucks, 90% sucks and 10% rocks
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10% rocks because you can see videos, 90% suck you know the reasons
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youtube you are a P.O.S
piece of shit

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YOUTUBE
fuck yourself
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angry
Well then screw you SeriousSam505 F U Piece a poo!!!!!!! YouTube Rocks! 100% rocks 0% sucks!
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zzz
Youtube is the Bomb screw u youtube haters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If you are tired of youtube but want a way to connect with artists and musicians and their videos then you should check out www.putiton.com People can actually stream live vids from the site

If you are tired of youtube all together than you should probably leave your bedroom and go interact with the real world ;)
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I totally agree. The copyright crap is getting way out of hand. I don't know if anybody here remembers, but I was the one who posted the video called "Night Of The ALmighty Bunghole," which contained a couple of my favorite scenes from the Beavis & Butt-head Halloween special. I tried to take care of a couple of requests from users who saw and loved that video & YT wouldn't allow it all because they were more concerned with kissing Viacom's ass. BTW, BarrakiMantax, if you think we're just talking shit about YouTube, take a good HARD look at the kind of crap that's happening on that damn site and then tell us YouTube is the Bomb. We all know about this stuff because it's actually happened to us. YT keeps deleting people's accounts over NOTHING! Have a nice day.
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rainy
well my opinion on youtube is such and goes for many other sites tryin the same thing


we all know that since google has bought youtube the site has begun to suck,because now google is throwing in ads......um hello its on the web wtf why are there ads on someone elses's video that they may have made, well if they can get away with that then i want commercial endoursments even if it is a 5 second commericial you ought to have to pay because you put it on my video without asking (and they contradict themselves as well), and to own or have proper authority to uploads videos well wtf that takes away from uploading videos from your pc doesnt it ? its the biggest pointless idea ever if every one were to follow using the copyright laws and use proper authority to do things there would be no need for uploading sites such as youtube, that site should be boycotted until they are hit with the realization that they must be crazy or just plain stupid, but this goes for several other sites youtube just happens to have the best examples, and unless these sites are told no they will probably keep pushin to see how far they can get and who knows how far that will be....
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Youtube sucks ass. You can't even remove spam videos uploaded to youtube groups anymore.
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angry
youtube sucks its like if u do a mistake u cant change it
andd if u upload a vid u cant delet it it makes me so mad
u jackhttp ass youtube >:(
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hate youtube
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angry
na really qu people who like u tubhttp:/
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davdna said:
Reminds me of 56k dial up.
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angry
Youtube changed the layout now it f*****g sux
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angry
youtube being a bitch to me everytime i click on a video it closes me out
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YouTube inconveniences me more and more lately. They've recently changed the home page from a simple format where you could add and delete modules you didn't or did like. I always came to YouTube just for subscriptions and I had that and my inbox on my home page. That was all I needed to know about.

But now, it's called "Recent Activity" and they have a whole bunch of bullcrap I'm not interested in and I can't do anything about it. It's much harder to see the newest from my subscriptions and instead of seeing what they've uploaded, which is all I want to know, I get to see what they've rated, commented on, favorited, and "recommended for you". These modules are not removable and now they're there to stay.

YouTube is going down the drain and I'm one of many users who will stop using their service if they keep ignoring their users.
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dougklast said:
Google is a nightmare. I wish they would go out of business. The web was a lot better without them.
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itsthetin said:
youtube has gone mental. or atleast alpha.
i can watch a video for 3 seconds before it just stops. guess its high traffic, but come on ffs. they earn shitloads of money on this and i know they can afford higher bandwith. i guess google ceos want more money in their pockets.
this is just horrid
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Now they have ads that they shove in your face and you can't fast forward or avoid them. Google and YouTube are ruining the net by there greedy corporat mindset. If I wanted commercials I would be watching television. I would call them asshole, but those are at least useful.
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ali10 said:
youtube is so stupid because it does not have games or quizzes.
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ali10 said:
arent we talking about justin bieber because he is so HOT. HELLO
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angry
I agree. YouTube banned me twice for Copyright. And I've noticed that they've insisted Google to tell users to use a cell phone or mobile phone to verify an account. I was about to create multiple accounts with videos abiding by the rules of copyright, but now I can't because I don't want users hacking into my account and trying to steal my phone number.

What a bunch of geeks!
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vlab said:
I totally agree I am so pissed off with you tube for being a haven of trolls. All a person needs to do is change a lower case L with an upper case i and voila. I have someone impersonating me and you tube is dead beat their tools for reporting the behavior don't work on long threads. This person is talking about really gross stuff in my name and they could care less. Just raking in the money from publicity like a money whore.
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vlab said:
Update, the help and safety tool is still failing after 24 hours of attempting to denounce someone who is pretending to be me and writing gross crap on you tube. Bravo you tube for not caring.
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vlab said:
Oh and by the way if anyone will make t-shirts with the slogan you tube sucks on it I will order some for sure!
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22tango said:
I canceled my YouTube account last week and I had more than 600,000 views on my videos. I spent 20 years in television, working in news mostly, and taught a television class at a private university. When I started my YouTube account shortly after they launched, I was delighted... However in the past year, the uploading process (and the copyright problems, especially with those greedy bastards at WMG) made me throw in the towel. Some of my videos have scenes with very short duration edits, matched to music tracks having a quick pace, but YouTube screwed the videos up SO BAD (edits were no longer matching the music) I gave up and quit YouTube... I'll be looking for a more "user friendly" site soon to start re-loading my videos, most aviation related...

Google "TuuTuuTango YouTube" and you'll see that I canceled my account... you'll probably still find a bunch of videos I had on YouTube by doing the above search...

I also had problems with spammers sending me crap I had no interest in. And, weird people wanting to be "friends" with whom I had NOTHING IN COMMON WITH started sending me "request to be friends...) I'd go look at their profiles and wonder what hole in the ground did these people come from!

HASTA LA VISTA YouTube... Google screwed up a good service.
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22tango said:
I opened a new account on DailyMotion today and uploaded a video. As it was "processing" I decided to look on DailyMotion for an airplane called a C-130. I've flown in the C-130 on numerous occasions when I worked in television news... GUESS WHAT, I found someone had stolen my video entitled "DYESS C-130 ABILENE, TEXAS" and they posted it on DailyMotion. The crook is from Mexico or Spain and he is taking credit for my video. I wrote to DailyMotion and they ARE NOT responding very fast. My name is on this video at 9:21 as well as my image as a jet is passing over my head and landing... I wonder how much more EVIDENCE DailyMotion needs before they pull my stolen video and block the crook who stole it...
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I uploaded a video of my friend's dance recital, and it got flagged for copyright infringement because of the song playing at the dance recital! That is not right! I don't understand why so many of my videos get flagged for copyright infringement and they're just little fan vids that have a few hundred hits, yet other videos with over 100,000 hits are still up! It is NOT FAIR. It should be all or none. When my video is all the way at the bottom of the list and people are obviously not watching it, then why is it getting deleted?
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TubalCain said:
A little over a year ago I had a music page, it was a new undertaking for me, several months getting everything just right. Before that I had a normal account which I had for more than 2 years since I first discovered Youtube. My music page started to pick up momentum and within the first 2 months I had around 3k subs and I was getting a LOT of views, needless to say it was great! One day I log in and it asks me if I want to link my accounts, "Sure, why not..". Bad idea, a split second later Im suspended on both accounts.. Somehow the suspension went to a termination over the course of the next year for severe violations, copyright infringement, everything under the umbrella, they hit me with it. None of it makes any sense, I did not not infringe anything, I had a movie playing in the background, barely a 5 minute portion, the TV was on, big deal. I've seen entire videos of nothing but! People literally recording their TV's with cameras. My lacie HD had issues and all my videos went missing, Youtube now has all my videos and before I can even get anyone to help or respond, its terminated. All gone. Youtube (or anything decent online, i.e Myspace, Facebook) has sold out. Whatever starts as something great always ends up in the hands of some greedy corporation and it gets ruined. If it aint broke don't fix it dammit! Now I don't even want to do it again, this is some bs, I've done enough favors for Youtube, you need us more than we need you! Sick of the online trend of everything good slowly evolving to crap, DO NOT use gmail to make a Youtube account! Save yourself a major headache, now I got internal server errors because of those old accounts and its deja vu all over again. Highly trained monkeys wtf lmao, screw Youtube.
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My god I HATE HATE HATE hhhaaatteee the copyright thing. It's not like I'm saying I own everything in the video, if anything I'm helping advertise it. I'm not the one making the thousands of dollars off the content.
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STOP YOU HATE IT, ilove it. don't say it succcccccccckkkkkkss...
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I used to have two accounts and this a**hole called JoshGeary2012 kept on flagging my vids for no f***ing reason and got terminated (ALMOST!!) so I closed it and made another account called LeviComedian, he still flagged my vids so I closed my account and switched to Dailymotion.
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YES! Youtube SUCKS major crap.

1) Even if you upload had MINOR part of copyright material (like a very tiny part of the song in the background) you are delivered. You will be informed that your video has parts of copyrighted material.

Can you SEND A REQUEST TO COPYRIGHT OWNER TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION? NO YOU CANT.
The only thing you can do - is to send a "DISPUTE". Be assured, your video will be removed and your account will get one strike of the three, if you do this.

YOU CANT RESOLVE THIS PEACEFULLY - you would need to send a DMCA Counternotice, for which legal action will be taken against you. A LEGAL ACTION JUST FOR UPLOADING SOME BULLCRAP. WTF?!
Also, YOU will not be able to make money from your account ANYMORE (and not for this video!!!), and there is NO WAY TO TELL THE COPYRIGHTOWNER "OK, MY BAD, I REMOVE THE VIDEO THEN". NO! You will either HAVE TO SUE or YOU WILL HAVE TO LIVE WITH PENALTIES FURTHER! Even if you remove the material in question, you CANT undo the penalties!

2) The copyright owner can DO WHATEVER HE WANTS to your video. Previously, the audio was removed or video was taken down. While this was bad, it still allowed for the uploader to change the audio. Now? THE COPYRIGHT OWNER (NOT the uploader) can (and does) - blocks the video from countries(!) just because part of his audio was there, removes the video and blocks the account of the uploader (together with all good non-affected content) or puts insane amounts of ads (very very rare)!

3) The whole monetization thing have led youtube from video from users to users into MONETARIZATION TOOL to deliver LOW QUALITY content to users.
Previously, you would find something funny uploaded by Bob.
Now you will find a COMPLETELY MISMATCHED "RICKROLLED" video with title, with HUGE minus rating, that IS UP FOR AGES - because the uploader has put LOTS OF ADS on it. And youtube is the second "hand" washing the first one.
Or you will find low quality garbage, designed ONLY to make you subscribe, so more garbage is sent.
Or you will find a video in the searches, but it WILL BE BLOCKED for your country.

4) YOUTUBE ACTIVELY SUPPORTS RACIST EFFORTS. For example, I had a guy, who has openly commented Ukrainians are better than Russians. That Jews are ass***s. That Afroamericans belong to zoo. That war in Chechya was not against terrorists, but against civil population (Civilians, that were islamistic faschists, who were trained by Arab mercenaries, and who started to slave handling and drug dealing with border countries once left in peace by Yeltzin). That russian army sucks dongles. A lot of people stated that within any nation are idiots and that he should not judge whole nation by one person. But he went over and over nonstop, as antisemitic as it gets. His account even had several nazi videos.
I reported him to youtube with all his "comments".
Answer from youtube? "HIS BEHAVIOUR DOES NOT BREAK OUR POLICY".
This is FSCKING LMAO!


The ONLY reason why I am still at youtube - content from edudcational institutions. Where, you are never sure if it will persist, or their account will be banned just because someone used copyrighted music as a ringtone, and forgot to turn his mobile off during the lecture.

Youtube became basically a TRASH BIN.
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Sagifen said:
thanks for sharing your ideas!
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