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Questions about Spike's heroic death...

mandapanda posted on May 28, 2008 at 12:43AM
In Chosen, the Hellmouth was crumbling to a crisp and Spike had the amulet. Buffy told him to get out, but he said he had to do it. And alot of Spuffy fans are saying he didn't do it to save the world, that he did it for Buffy. But, my argument is, Why did he say I have to do this? And if Buffy did love him, why would she let him die? When Angel was hurt in Grad. Day, she didn't take any orders from the Council to help him. She set off to kill Faith so he could live. She beat up Willy in What's my Line to find Angel, and whenever Angel was going to sacrifice his life for hers (the Zeppo, Amends, Grad. Day), she would always stop him. Why? Because she loved him, and he loved her.

Yes, what Spike did was brave and I think he did care for her, but I think he did it for himself, not for Buffy
last edited on May 28, 2008 at 12:49AM
user photo NikaDawson said:
James Marsters said it himself that Spike went in there for Buffy, and died for Buffy.

And as for Buffy loving Spike, she did love him. But she understood that him dying was something that needed to be done. That the rest of the world was on the line. She respected his decision. Did she want it, of course not, but she knew it needed to be done. She says herself to Spike she wasn't ready for him to not be there, but when it came down to the rest of the world, she was mature enough to realize that her feelings didn't matter.

There were many times Buffy wouldn't let Spike die, when the world wasn't on the line. In Never Leave Me, she wouldn't kill him when he begged for it. In Showtime she fought off a superstrong ubervamp to save him. In Lies My Parents Told Me she defied Giles to go save him. During season seven when he was under the influence of the first, she still wouldn't kill him.

Same with Amends, Graduation Day, and Zeppo, the world wasn't on the line.

All of late season two, Buffy's love for Angel caused her to be selfish with her denial in her duty to the rest of the world to kill him, and it caused harm to a lot of people. People died, Giles was tortured, Jenny was killed. But finally she understood she had to kill him for the fate of the rest of the world, just like the Buffy of Chosen who was in love with Spike understood that she needed to let him go be her hero, the hero he wanted to be for her. She left because she owed it to him to live the life she, and he, wanted her to be able to live.
posted 4 months ago.
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user photo Joker said:
Ok, just because Marsters said it doesn't make it so, it's down to interpretation. Personally, I don't think Spike did it solely for Buffy, she wasn't his main motivation. The amulet was Spike's redemption, his chance to payback all the hurt he'd caused over his time..his chance to save the world and everyone in it, including Buffy.

When he says "I'm gonna see how it ends", he knows that's his swansong, that's his goodbye, he's going out a hero and he loves it!

Also, Graduation Day and The Zeppo do see the world on the line. The Mayor wouldn't have stopped at SunnyD and the hellmouth opening has already once being called an apocolypse so why not that time?
posted 4 months ago.
 
user photo Jillywinkles said:
Yeah, I think he did it partly for Buffy and partly for being a hero himself. There were lots of reasons; he wanted to die for Buffy, he wanted to save the world, he wanted to do the right thing, he was the only one who could do it anyway since Buffy didn't want Angel to. And I bet he loved doing something that Angel couldn't do!
I don't think it was just one reason.

And of course, I don't think that Buffy was in love with Spike (I like the idea of the line "No you don't, but thanks for saying"--great unrequited love theme), so that helped her see more clearly in allowing Spike to sacrifice himself where she wouldn't let Angel.
posted 1 month ago.
 
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