This is long...>>" (Wellington's is by far the longest)
Current possibilities:
-Wellington
-Chloe
-Wakefield
Old possibilities:
-Shane
-Madison
-Abby
-JD
Victims as of third episode:
Cousin Ben
Uncle Marty
Reverend
Kelly ->found
Lucy
Hunter
The "Almost Victim":
Cal
Wellington, to me, makes the most sense. His overall motive would be that he doesn't want the wedding to occur. Although that in and of itself could disprove it. Couldn't he just call it off? Maybe in a twisted, roundabout way he's trying to do that without directly hurting Patricia. But then why kill Ben? If only he hadn't died in the first five minutes. Grr. Since he didn't have time to interact with anyone, the only reason I can think of is he was in favour of the wedding. He was probably killed the way that he was because Wellington wanted to make sure that Ben wouldn't get on the boat (at least, not the traditional way O.o) and therefore he could just tell Patricia that Ben wasn't coming. 'Cause if he showed up and then went missing on the island without an explanation, that would probably hurt Patricia. But still, that's a pretty psychotic way to kill your nephew. Decapitation by boat. O.o I assume that as time moves on, the questions here will be answered. It's only the third episode. The next person to die was Marty. There are two reasons why he would be killed by Wellington: (a) he seemed like a threat (that conversation they had, Marty said "...protect people like Henry from people like you."; apparently Wellington took that as a threat according to Wikipedia), or (b) he's related to Henry. I'll go with (b) since that's the only one I planned out. I assume that with that, Wellington would either be trying to scare Henry off the island or depress him to the point where he wouldn't want to do anything, let alone get married. but following this logic, JD would most likely be dead by now. So, (a) he's somehow beneficial to Wellington, which I highly doubt, or (b) he's planning to do something else with JD. Which brings us to Kelly (yes, I skipped the reverend, he's after this). This is all speculation. Somehow, Wellington found out that JD was with Kelly that day. He took that as an opportunity to possibly frame JD. After JD left her house, Wellington killed Kelly hoping that someone would suspect JD for it. Maybe he knew Shane would do something. Of course, that was all grasping. And then there's the reverend. This is obvious. He was the one who would wed Henry and Patricia. Wellington doesn't think Henry's right for the family, he doesn't want them to marry, simple solution: kill the reverend, no wedding. The last one that has an explanation is Hunter. Hunter was "hired" by Wellington to break up the wedding since they both thought Patricia still had feelings for the former. When Hunter failed and threatened to tell Patricia the truth, Wellington killed him by rigging his getaway boat. It makes sense. And then there's the one that doesn't make sense whatsoever. Lucy. There's no reason for Wellington to kill her. I guess if someone came across her ashes and figured out they were human (which would take a while, wouldn't you want a whole body?), that would instill enough fear in people that the wedding would have to be called off. But that depends entirely on another person. The benefits do not outweigh the risks. So, (a) there's some hidden reason that will be explained later, (b) Wellington didn't do any of it, or (c) there's another person who did just that one while Wellington did the others, whether or not either knew about the other. Who's next? Most likely JD, seeing as the alleged plan with Kelly didn't work and he's related to Henry. Maybe Henry himself, but I HIGHLY doubt it.
I also thought that Shane did it in the beginning. But then I realised that he's just an ass, he wouldn't kill anyone. Not to mention he didn't have the opportunity to kill Ben, nor the motive. Nor would he have the motive to kill anyone else. And the scene with JD in episode three kind of disproves it.
At one point, I thought Madison had done it. Although I feel something's not right with her, I highly doubt that she could have killed anyone because of her age and size.
And then, really grasping her, I thought of Abby. Maybe she was just insane. Losing her mother like that, and seeing the corpse could have made her literally crazy. Maybe she's hallucinating, thinks she didn't do it but rather someone else did. I don't know. Look up Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Onisarashi-hen on Wikipedia to see what I'm talking about. The same thing happens to the main girl in the series. But she neither had the motive nor the opportunity to kill most of them.
And then there's Chloe. As we all know, she appears to have some weird obsession with Wakefield. Maybe her obsession drove her to insanity (not full-out insanity, insanity where one can appear to be perfectly sane), and she's trying to recreate the events of seven years ago. Except in a weird, more twisted way. Maybe that's why even though Cal was caught in a trap, he wasn't killed. Who's next? Who knows. With psychos, you can never tell.
At one point I thought JD had done it. Half of it was the deer incident, half of it was stereotypical bullshit. Episode three disproved it though.
And here's the really twisted one: Wakefield. See, my friend gave me the idea for this fanfic where John has a brother (OC) who took part in the past murders. But he escaped from jail before he could be executed. The police said he died to avoid public panic, and created a false grave next to John's. And then his daughter (another OC) has a theory that her father committed the recent murders. I thought that maybe something like that happened in the series. No one was at the burial, Wakefield was not permitted to be buried in the cemetary, and I don't think the execution was made public. No one saw any proof that Wakefield died. All we have is a gravestone that could be fake and the police's word. From here on, this is all speculation. Maybe Wakefield somehow escaped. Maybe all of this is Wakefield's doing. Maybe Kelly was right, maybe Wakefield was following her (this would lead me to believe that whoever said Kelly killed herself so Wakefield couldn't was right). Hey, I'm just looking for someone to have committed all the murders logically. This is the one that grasps the most, yet, awkwardly, makes the most sense to me. (There is Wellington, but that's only if Wakefield's not alive.) Who's next? Again, just as with Chloe, there's no way to know. It could be anyone.
You forgot to add JD to the almost victim list (getting ran over by Shane's truck)
For Wellington being the killer is a well-thought out explaination, but there are a few flaws:
1. The paper telling the Sheriff to find "me" stated the John Wakefield's motives were unknown, so thats what I'm betting Cousin Ben, Uncle Marty, and Lucy all died for.
2. In Hunter Jennings boat, there was Uncle Marty's bag full of money, if Mr. Wellington did it, why would he leave .5k+ dollars in a boat that he might not see again.
3. The killer used Uncle Marty's phone to text to Henry that he is ok. Thomas is too old to text.
I'm pretty sure every theory (but one) has flaws in it, but those factors probably won't stop him if he was indeed the killer.
I thought about adding him, but I figured it disproved more than it proved anything so I left him out. ^^;
1- I'm not quite sure what you mean. ^^;
2- Obviously, Wellington is a pretty rich man. The money in the bag probably meant nothing to him. That's just my guess though.
3- I'm pretty sure Wellington might text. Rarely, but he might. And, he might have been trying to think up an excuse so they wouldn't go looking for Marty.
...But wait, wouldn't that defeat the purpose? Wouldn't he kind of want it to be found? So that Henry would be affected so the wedding would be called off? o.o (Although I think he'll be found next episode, after reading a description I saw.)
1- actually doesn't really apply much.
2- Now that I saw this episode, I can see why the money was left in the boat, but that theory I'm keeping to myself.
3- Suppose to be a joke
This episode gave me a new theory now, so I'm hoping its right.
@ tinkymel
I'm aware of that, I just created this for more in-depth stuff. I noticed the other forum only has one or two sentences per post.
(I do warn against spoilers and in-depthness.)
...I'm sorry. >>"
Victims:
Ben
Uncle Marty
Reverend
Kelly ->found
Lucy
Hunter ->found, though unable to be identified
Booth ->"found", I suppose
This episode really doesn't change much, since Booth was an accidental suicide. The only things that would change anything are:
-what Karena said to Abby (he's coming for you, he won't stop, etc.)
-the destruction of all the china
-the newspapers with all the articles on the Wakefield murders
With Wellington, nothing changes.
With Chloe, it's possible that she knew Abby was going to the news place and asked for the articles knowing that Abby would find it, due to Chloe's weird obsession with Wakefield. But Karena said he was coming for Abby, not she.
With Wakefield, if he's still alive as explained in my previous post, he's probably stalking Abby, to state the obvious there. At first, I thought maybe Shane was just trying to mess with her head, but last episode he was arrested, so.... But this would explain all of them. The 'he' that Karena mentioned would be Wakefield, he's breaking the china to freak out everyone (maybe specifically Abby), and he might have known Abby was going to the news place so he asked for the articles to freak her out. This would also explain the newsclipping on Abby's mirror at the end of episode one.
About Madison, dubbed the alleged "accomplice". There is something not right about this girl. As stated in my first post, Madison could not do it alone because of her age and size. But she knows too much for a 7~10-year-old girl. She would have been, at the most, three years old or so. But, as I said, she knows way too damn much. That scene where Abby found her, "One by one, one by one...I won't get to be a flower girl, Abby...The spirits told me." In the second or third episode, when she asked her mother if people died there, somebody had to tell her. And focusing on the "one by one". As much as I can tell, the past murders were pretty close together. The recent murders are farther apart. "One by one" people on the island are dying, coincidentally the people who do not live on the island. (And even then, the only one she would have heard about now would be Kelly, since Henry and the groomsmen didn't say anything abou Hunter, and Malcolm didn't say anything about Booth.) I swear to god, Madison knows something. Things possibly only the killer would know.
A couple questions on Henry and JD:
-In the first episode, Henry said their parents died. Does anyone possibly know if they were killed by Wakefield, or has the way they died not been revealed anywhere yet?
-And, also, does anyone know if during the past seven years either one visited the island?
My theory on the John Wakefield having a connection with the murders, is that his spirit, still roams the island, and is able to make contact with some (Kelly, Madison, Chloe[? I think she's the killer is why]).
To answer your questions, as best as possible:
Henry's parents were not killed by John Wakefield, but how they died is still unknown.
It is said that Henry use to work on the island over the summer, but I don't think they have, since Maggie (in the first episode) said "I haven't seen you in years" or something along those lines.
Victims:
Ben ->found?
Uncle Marty
Reverend ->found?
Kelly ->found
Lucy
Hunter ->found, though unable to be identified
Booth ->"found", I suppose
Wellington ->presumably, unless he somehow dodged it (which I doubt)
After viewing the fifth episode, Wellington is definitely out.
My suspicion of Wakefield's direct or indirect connection to the recent murders is heightened, due to two events: the dog set on Wellington and Patricia (was it just me or did the guy who set the dog on them look a little like the picture that Mills had?), and the articles and pictures in Mills' attic (even though that all could be a form of paranoia).
Nothing has changed about Chloe, seeing as she did not appear in this episode.
Although I briefly thought that JD was the murderer again, I realised that even though the characters who are not suspects know of only 1~3 deaths (depending on the character; now 2~5), the viewers' omniscent POV disproves this theory. He does not have the opportunity for enough of the deaths for this theory to be correct.
I'm still not sure what to think of Madison.
Who's next?
Y'know, JD's got a lot against him right now.
Henry might just snap.
And then I'd have no motive to watch anymore. ;w;
And was it me, or did they say at the end of airing it last night that they wouldn't show the next episode for two weeks? If that's true, does anyone know why?
Oh yeah, Wellington died.
The frame right before it goes black (this is probably due to censoring, they can't exactly show a guy's head or being split down the centre [although I'm pretty sure they could show it afterwards, I'm not sure though]), if you look closely, you can see the blade directly above his head.
The edit button doesn't seem to be working for me.
After re-viewing the episode: when the dismembered body was discovered by Charlie, I hadn't heard him correctly the first time because my friend said something. I thought he said something along the lines of "Oh my god" as opposed to what he really said, "Reverend Fain". So disregard where it says 'Ben ->found?' in that post, and the question mark after 'Reverend ->found'.
Yeah, the next episode isn't till 2 weeks, CBS didn't give an explanation for it (in fact there running reruns of CSI in its place). Fans on the CBS forum say that just means its closer to being cancelled.
Also the guy with the burnt face who released the dog on Thomas and Trish was not John Wakefield, he ****Spoiler**** is Cole Hankin. ****Spoiler gone****
Also while reading fan forum, I found a really good explanation for 2 other suspects with very avoidable allibys, but as I'm out of time today, I'll go into that tomorrow.
CBS just needs to have a one-day marathon of HI, and then the fans will be satisfied, and its off their showing list.
But I think 3 shows are ending their series around this time, maybe that will help it not get canceled (Survivor, Amazing Race, and one other one).
Cole Hankin is a survivor of one of John Wakefield's murder attempts. Although he didn't die, he got 3rd defree burns on most of his body and the right side of his face.
Alright, back to the 2 theories that I though were really good.
Maggie Krell, the Wedding Planner:
-Her wereabouts are unknown for every single murder, and her wereabouts even prove her guiltiness in the death of the reverend. (She is seen alone with him shortly before he is murdered.)
- Right before the reverend is murdered, he is seen talking to Maggie. She gives him a bag of stuff, knowing he would shortly be leaving. She followed him and decapitated him in the woods. The reason for this is so that she can take over the wedding rehearsal and killMr. Wellington.
- When Lucy falls into the ditch, you see the killer's hand pulling a match out of a small box. On the box is written"Candlewick Inn." Maggie is the manager of the Candlewick Inn, and has easy access to those specific matches.
-When Hunter is killed on the boat, for a short second, it shows a small plaque on the shotgun that says"made for the Candlewick Inn." Only maggie would have access to the Inn's shotgun as she is the manager.
- During the wedding rehearsal, Maggie is in charge. She has everyone in certain positions, and knows where every single person is. As soon as she sees that her target, Mr. Wellington, is under the chandelier, she tells someone to hit the lights, knowing that it would trigger the trap.
- Maggie is the one who organized the scavenger hunt,knowing it would seperate everyone.
- When Maggie is talking to Henry, the little girl and JD throw firecrackers next to them. Maggie sees JD do this. She then takes a firecracker they threw at her, and places it in the church. She frames JD, knowing Henry will think it is JD, thus seperating them. Henry tells JD that "he doesn't want to see him anymore."This will probably cause JD to leave the island, meaning he will be singled out and killed.
All the points above were copied from a forum post that I agree with, and here are my thoughts below:
She knows the island well, and everything needed for the wedding to get cancelled. She was the one to report the dishes breaking (and was the first to bring it up). She knew about Kelly's mom dieing, thereby knowing that she would be the perfect one to kill.
She also had the ability to rig the boat Hunter Jennings rode from the Candlewick Inn. Finally, she was also the one to tell someone to turn off the lights right when Thomas Wellington was under the chandiler (which according to her everything-must-be-ready style should've already been turned off).
She also was there during the killings of John Wakefield, and even had a quote in the newspaper. Also she seems very content with her lifestyle which means money probably wouldn't mean much to her (explains her leaving Uncle Marty's bag)
Problems: Not really any known reason why she would do all this, she also seems to really like the all the ex-islanders back. The first episode basically is the only episode that proves against her, b/c she was never seen in the same scene as Uncle Marty, and wasn't on the boat to kill Cousin Ben.
Well, the other one was Henry Dunn, but there are more problems for him to be the murder than positives...so I don't think its him.
I was thinking in algebra class today about all the people in the show and whether or not they could have killed (order is how Wikipedia orders them prior to episode 4):
-Abigail (presumed name) Mills --> no motive or opportunity
-Henry Dunn --> no motive and/or opportunity--motive against it: Patricia
-Patricia Wellington --> doesn't appear to have the mental capacity to kill
-Chloe Carter --> Possibly, due to only her obsession with Wakefield; has no alibi for almost all of the murders
-Cal Vandeusen --> doesn't appear to have the mental capacity to kill
-Thomas Wellington --> seventh victim
-Charles (presumed name) Mills --> think about it, does he really seem like a serial killer? Although, maybe it's like Chloe, maybe he became a little too obsessed with Wakefield
-Jimmy Mance --> doesn't appear to have the mental capacity to kill
-JD Dunn --> possible conspirator; episode five--but no opportunity for Ben, and why kill Marty? And I don't think he knew about Hunter
-Christopher "Sully" Sullivan --> he's just an ass, he wouldn't kill anyone
-Hunter Jennings --> sixth victim
-Marty Dunn --> second victim
-Doctor Campbell --> try to convince me he's the killer
-Robin Matthews --> a little creepy, but until I know more about her I can't tell
-Shea Allen --> doesn't seem to have the mental capacity
-Richard Allen --> nothing to outright prove it, but nothing to disrove it either
-Madison Allen --> possible conspirator; creepy, knows a little too much for someone her age; "one by one..." scene
-Katherine Wellington --> things to prove it are quickly disproven; think about it, I know they're there, I just forgot them ^^"
-Daniel (presumed name) Brooks --> doesn't seem to have the mental capacity
-Malcolm Ross --> he wouldn't kill anyone unless it really benefitted him, but doesn't seem to have the mental capacity
-Joel Booth --> definitely doesn't have the mental capacity
-Bethany (presumed name) Barrington --> doesn't seem to have the mental capacity
-Shane Pierce --> he's just an ass, wouldn't kill anyone; is being held in jail after episode three
-Nikki Bolton --> tough, but probably wouldn't kill without a damn good reason; definitely didn't kill Kelly
-Maggie Krell --> possible, thanks to coolguy111606's previous post; motive and opportunity for some killings, but not all
-Kelly Seaver --> fourth victim
-Lucy Daramour --> even if she wasn't the fifth victim, she didn't have the mental capacity for much of anything, much less killing
-Reverend Fain --> third victim
-Benjamin (presumed name) Wellington --> first victim
-John Wakefield --> read any of my previous posts
-Cole Hankin --> I'm not sure
Looks like the list I made in the article section.
you know, the murderer is listed within the 25 main characters, (but that doesn't mean they are the only ones to die).
Oh yeah, more info on Cole Hankin, he is the ex-deputy of Harper's island, I think he resigned after his incident with John Wakefield.
I think it's just a little too early in the series to tell exactly who it is.
...But according to my mom, no matter who the killer is, it'll be a cliché ending.
I guess it all depends on how it's done.
And on the fact that there's no episode this weekend, (according to my mother again) that might be due to the fact that it would end on the fourth of July, and CBS knew no one would watch it then.(Especially since in Canada it airs on Thursdays still.)
...Hopefully that's the reason.
Victims:
Ben, decapitated by boat
Marty, chopped in half --> found (it’s about damn time) fourth by JD and Abby
Reverend, trapped and decapitated, later dismembered --> found third by Charlie and Deputy
Kelly, hung with eyes injected with red ink --> found first by Nikki
Lucy, burned
Hunter, shot by a trap --> found second by groomsmen, sunk
Booth, shot himself --> in front of and buried by Malcolm
Wellington, split down center --> at wedding rehearsal
Richard, impaled with harpoon before being dragged away
Total: 9, averaging 1.5 per episode (yes I calculated, I’m bored)
Oh dear. Oh my.
Oh the fun I’ll have in my fanfic.
I don’t think it was Chloe anymore because after seeing more of her, I don’t believe she has the mental capacity to kill one person, let alone nine.
I’ll start with Charlie’s, since it requires the least explaining. His obsession could have driven him to insanity, causing him to recreate the Wakefield murders. He’s obviously hiding something about Wakefield.
But he had no opportunity for Ben, and I don’t think JD is conspiring with him.
Wakefield. Who’s to say that body is Wakefield’s? Could be a cover-up by Charlie. All those years, maybe it was Wakefield. (This one actually required the least explaining.)
Hankin. Could be his way of revenge, I suppose...insane people do have weird motives (near-death experiences can cause insanity).
To put it bluntly, Hankin and JD are accomplices. JD is most likely the scapegoat.
Ben: this is most likely JD’s doing. No one really knows where he was. And Hankin was probably on the island.
Marty: Could be either one. JD because, according to Henry, he “hated Marty”; other reason listed at end. Hankin because maybe JD did something that Hankin didn’t like and got back at him (has anyone noticed there seems to be an abundance of passive-aggressive people on the island?). Or maybe they killed him for the sake of killing him.
Reverend: probably JD because he didn’t want Henry to be married.
Kelly: I’m leaning towards Hankin, since JD claimed to like Kelly. Maybe JD told her something he shouldn’t have. Maybe JD killed her for the sake of killing her, and he said he liked Kelly to make Charlie think he wasn’t the killer.
Lucy: Probably a random killing just for the sake of killing.
Hunter: Since Marty’s bag was in there, I’m thinking maybe Hankin or JD intended that for someone else since I don’t think either knew Hunter was there. But maybe they did and it was meant for him.
Booth: I choose to believe he shot himself. He was putting the gun down, he was a little careless, it slipped the wrong way, and bam! he hit a vein and died.
Wellington: probably JD. “firecracker” my ass. Same reason the reverend was probably killed and possibly Marty.
Richard: probably killing for the sake of killing
Why JD? Why not someone else? I think JD was jealous of Henry. He was getting married to the girl he loved, a beautiful one, who was a Wellington. I think JD was jealous of Henry’s happiness, since JD never really seemed too happy. That’s probably why Marty, the reverend, and Wellington was killed; so there’d be no wedding. No wedding --> Henry’s not happy. JD also claimed to dislike Henry (to Madison, episode five: “Just because you’re related to someone doesn’t mean you have to like them.”). So when whatever happened to form the alliance between JD and Hankin occurred, JD was more than happy to.
Who’s next? Due to previews, I have to say JD. As I’ve stated, he’s most likely a scapegoat. My guess is: People begin to really suspect him --> caught --> possibly arrested --> killed by Hankin or maybe even himself.
ok nothing like you guys just a gut feeling and a creepiness vibe I got off one scene I think the killer is CAL. I have nothing to go on and nothing to explain but I have a hunch but a hunch doesn't help...lol
I did not know that, but...um...I put the lists there each time because it helps me remember stuff. *has a horrible memory*
@ineedcoffee
What scene did you get that from
EDIT (for previous post):
I looked up Hankin, and I found out his last name was Harkin. The edit button on the post is messing up (damn dialup never loads anything), so...yeah. Minor detail, but it bothers me...>>"
My brother and I discussed about JD, we say he is too obvious as a suspect. (I even think he will die soon). We also thought Thomas Wellington and Richard were also two obvious suspects, and they both died.
There are a lot of flaws in JD being the killer, but also a lot of pros too, but I'm too tired to think of them right now.
One thing I'm thinking of right now, is why did Madison unlock the door? My theory is that she has a strong connection with Wakefield's spirit, and that he influenced her to get JD out, so that he can do the killing. But then why run to Harkin (also nice find on the correct spelling).
Also note that Maggie had the key to were JD was being locked.
Thats all I'm going to point out now, maybe I'll review later, and come up with something good.
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Current possibilities:
-Wellington
-Chloe
-Wakefield
Old possibilities:
-Shane
-Madison
-Abby
-JD
Victims as of third episode:
Cousin Ben
Uncle Marty
Reverend
Kelly ->found
Lucy
Hunter
The "Almost Victim":
Cal
Wellington, to me, makes the most sense. His overall motive would be that he doesn't want the wedding to occur. Although that in and of itself could disprove it. Couldn't he just call it off? Maybe in a twisted, roundabout way he's trying to do that without directly hurting Patricia. But then why kill Ben? If only he hadn't died in the first five minutes. Grr. Since he didn't have time to interact with anyone, the only reason I can think of is he was in favour of the wedding. He was probably killed the way that he was because Wellington wanted to make sure that Ben wouldn't get on the boat (at least, not the traditional way O.o) and therefore he could just tell Patricia that Ben wasn't coming. 'Cause if he showed up and then went missing on the island without an explanation, that would probably hurt Patricia. But still, that's a pretty psychotic way to kill your nephew. Decapitation by boat. O.o I assume that as time moves on, the questions here will be answered. It's only the third episode. The next person to die was Marty. There are two reasons why he would be killed by Wellington: (a) he seemed like a threat (that conversation they had, Marty said "...protect people like Henry from people like you."; apparently Wellington took that as a threat according to Wikipedia), or (b) he's related to Henry. I'll go with (b) since that's the only one I planned out. I assume that with that, Wellington would either be trying to scare Henry off the island or depress him to the point where he wouldn't want to do anything, let alone get married. but following this logic, JD would most likely be dead by now. So, (a) he's somehow beneficial to Wellington, which I highly doubt, or (b) he's planning to do something else with JD. Which brings us to Kelly (yes, I skipped the reverend, he's after this). This is all speculation. Somehow, Wellington found out that JD was with Kelly that day. He took that as an opportunity to possibly frame JD. After JD left her house, Wellington killed Kelly hoping that someone would suspect JD for it. Maybe he knew Shane would do something. Of course, that was all grasping. And then there's the reverend. This is obvious. He was the one who would wed Henry and Patricia. Wellington doesn't think Henry's right for the family, he doesn't want them to marry, simple solution: kill the reverend, no wedding. The last one that has an explanation is Hunter. Hunter was "hired" by Wellington to break up the wedding since they both thought Patricia still had feelings for the former. When Hunter failed and threatened to tell Patricia the truth, Wellington killed him by rigging his getaway boat. It makes sense. And then there's the one that doesn't make sense whatsoever. Lucy. There's no reason for Wellington to kill her. I guess if someone came across her ashes and figured out they were human (which would take a while, wouldn't you want a whole body?), that would instill enough fear in people that the wedding would have to be called off. But that depends entirely on another person. The benefits do not outweigh the risks. So, (a) there's some hidden reason that will be explained later, (b) Wellington didn't do any of it, or (c) there's another person who did just that one while Wellington did the others, whether or not either knew about the other. Who's next? Most likely JD, seeing as the alleged plan with Kelly didn't work and he's related to Henry. Maybe Henry himself, but I HIGHLY doubt it.
I also thought that Shane did it in the beginning. But then I realised that he's just an ass, he wouldn't kill anyone. Not to mention he didn't have the opportunity to kill Ben, nor the motive. Nor would he have the motive to kill anyone else. And the scene with JD in episode three kind of disproves it.
At one point, I thought Madison had done it. Although I feel something's not right with her, I highly doubt that she could have killed anyone because of her age and size.
And then, really grasping her, I thought of Abby. Maybe she was just insane. Losing her mother like that, and seeing the corpse could have made her literally crazy. Maybe she's hallucinating, thinks she didn't do it but rather someone else did. I don't know. Look up Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Onisarashi-hen on Wikipedia to see what I'm talking about. The same thing happens to the main girl in the series. But she neither had the motive nor the opportunity to kill most of them.
And then there's Chloe. As we all know, she appears to have some weird obsession with Wakefield. Maybe her obsession drove her to insanity (not full-out insanity, insanity where one can appear to be perfectly sane), and she's trying to recreate the events of seven years ago. Except in a weird, more twisted way. Maybe that's why even though Cal was caught in a trap, he wasn't killed. Who's next? Who knows. With psychos, you can never tell.
At one point I thought JD had done it. Half of it was the deer incident, half of it was stereotypical bullshit. Episode three disproved it though.
And here's the really twisted one: Wakefield. See, my friend gave me the idea for this fanfic where John has a brother (OC) who took part in the past murders. But he escaped from jail before he could be executed. The police said he died to avoid public panic, and created a false grave next to John's. And then his daughter (another OC) has a theory that her father committed the recent murders. I thought that maybe something like that happened in the series. No one was at the burial, Wakefield was not permitted to be buried in the cemetary, and I don't think the execution was made public. No one saw any proof that Wakefield died. All we have is a gravestone that could be fake and the police's word. From here on, this is all speculation. Maybe Wakefield somehow escaped. Maybe all of this is Wakefield's doing. Maybe Kelly was right, maybe Wakefield was following her (this would lead me to believe that whoever said Kelly killed herself so Wakefield couldn't was right). Hey, I'm just looking for someone to have committed all the murders logically. This is the one that grasps the most, yet, awkwardly, makes the most sense to me. (There is Wellington, but that's only if Wakefield's not alive.) Who's next? Again, just as with Chloe, there's no way to know. It could be anyone.
...I just hope it's not JD. ;w;
For Wellington being the killer is a well-thought out explaination, but there are a few flaws:
1. The paper telling the Sheriff to find "me" stated the John Wakefield's motives were unknown, so thats what I'm betting Cousin Ben, Uncle Marty, and Lucy all died for.
2. In Hunter Jennings boat, there was Uncle Marty's bag full of money, if Mr. Wellington did it, why would he leave .5k+ dollars in a boat that he might not see again.
3. The killer used Uncle Marty's phone to text to Henry that he is ok. Thomas is too old to text.
I'm pretty sure every theory (but one) has flaws in it, but those factors probably won't stop him if he was indeed the killer.
1- I'm not quite sure what you mean. ^^;
2- Obviously, Wellington is a pretty rich man. The money in the bag probably meant nothing to him. That's just my guess though.
3- I'm pretty sure Wellington might text. Rarely, but he might. And, he might have been trying to think up an excuse so they wouldn't go looking for Marty.
...But wait, wouldn't that defeat the purpose? Wouldn't he kind of want it to be found? So that Henry would be affected so the wedding would be called off? o.o (Although I think he'll be found next episode, after reading a description I saw.)
2- Now that I saw this episode, I can see why the money was left in the boat, but that theory I'm keeping to myself.
3- Suppose to be a joke
This episode gave me a new theory now, so I'm hoping its right.
http://www.fanpop.com/spots/harpers-isllan
I'm aware of that, I just created this for more in-depth stuff. I noticed the other forum only has one or two sentences per post.
(I do warn against spoilers and in-depthness.)
...I'm sorry. >>"
Current possibilities:
Wellington
Chloe
Wakefield
The alleged "accomplice":
Madison
Victims:
Ben
Uncle Marty
Reverend
Kelly ->found
Lucy
Hunter ->found, though unable to be identified
Booth ->"found", I suppose
This episode really doesn't change much, since Booth was an accidental suicide. The only things that would change anything are:
-what Karena said to Abby (he's coming for you, he won't stop, etc.)
-the destruction of all the china
-the newspapers with all the articles on the Wakefield murders
With Wellington, nothing changes.
With Chloe, it's possible that she knew Abby was going to the news place and asked for the articles knowing that Abby would find it, due to Chloe's weird obsession with Wakefield. But Karena said he was coming for Abby, not she.
With Wakefield, if he's still alive as explained in my previous post, he's probably stalking Abby, to state the obvious there. At first, I thought maybe Shane was just trying to mess with her head, but last episode he was arrested, so.... But this would explain all of them. The 'he' that Karena mentioned would be Wakefield, he's breaking the china to freak out everyone (maybe specifically Abby), and he might have known Abby was going to the news place so he asked for the articles to freak her out. This would also explain the newsclipping on Abby's mirror at the end of episode one.
About Madison, dubbed the alleged "accomplice". There is something not right about this girl. As stated in my first post, Madison could not do it alone because of her age and size. But she knows too much for a 7~10-year-old girl. She would have been, at the most, three years old or so. But, as I said, she knows way too damn much. That scene where Abby found her, "One by one, one by one...I won't get to be a flower girl, Abby...The spirits told me." In the second or third episode, when she asked her mother if people died there, somebody had to tell her. And focusing on the "one by one". As much as I can tell, the past murders were pretty close together. The recent murders are farther apart. "One by one" people on the island are dying, coincidentally the people who do not live on the island. (And even then, the only one she would have heard about now would be Kelly, since Henry and the groomsmen didn't say anything abou Hunter, and Malcolm didn't say anything about Booth.) I swear to god, Madison knows something. Things possibly only the killer would know.
A couple questions on Henry and JD:
-In the first episode, Henry said their parents died. Does anyone possibly know if they were killed by Wakefield, or has the way they died not been revealed anywhere yet?
-And, also, does anyone know if during the past seven years either one visited the island?
To answer your questions, as best as possible:
Henry's parents were not killed by John Wakefield, but how they died is still unknown.
It is said that Henry use to work on the island over the summer, but I don't think they have, since Maggie (in the first episode) said "I haven't seen you in years" or something along those lines.
Current possibilities:
-Chloe
-Wakefield
Old possibilities:
-Wellington
The "alleged accomplice":
-Madison
-JD, even?
Victims:
Ben ->found?
Uncle Marty
Reverend ->found?
Kelly ->found
Lucy
Hunter ->found, though unable to be identified
Booth ->"found", I suppose
Wellington ->presumably, unless he somehow dodged it (which I doubt)
After viewing the fifth episode, Wellington is definitely out.
My suspicion of Wakefield's direct or indirect connection to the recent murders is heightened, due to two events: the dog set on Wellington and Patricia (was it just me or did the guy who set the dog on them look a little like the picture that Mills had?), and the articles and pictures in Mills' attic (even though that all could be a form of paranoia).
Nothing has changed about Chloe, seeing as she did not appear in this episode.
Although I briefly thought that JD was the murderer again, I realised that even though the characters who are not suspects know of only 1~3 deaths (depending on the character; now 2~5), the viewers' omniscent POV disproves this theory. He does not have the opportunity for enough of the deaths for this theory to be correct.
I'm still not sure what to think of Madison.
Who's next?
Y'know, JD's got a lot against him right now.
Henry might just snap.
And then I'd have no motive to watch anymore. ;w;
And was it me, or did they say at the end of airing it last night that they wouldn't show the next episode for two weeks? If that's true, does anyone know why?
The frame right before it goes black (this is probably due to censoring, they can't exactly show a guy's head or being split down the centre [although I'm pretty sure they could show it afterwards, I'm not sure though]), if you look closely, you can see the blade directly above his head.
After re-viewing the episode: when the dismembered body was discovered by Charlie, I hadn't heard him correctly the first time because my friend said something. I thought he said something along the lines of "Oh my god" as opposed to what he really said, "Reverend Fain". So disregard where it says 'Ben ->found?' in that post, and the question mark after 'Reverend ->found'.
Also the guy with the burnt face who released the dog on Thomas and Trish was not John Wakefield, he ****Spoiler**** is Cole Hankin. ****Spoiler gone****
Also while reading fan forum, I found a really good explanation for 2 other suspects with very avoidable allibys, but as I'm out of time today, I'll go into that tomorrow.
It's like almost halfway through. D<
Grr. People suck. D<
Who's Cole Hankin? o.o
But I think 3 shows are ending their series around this time, maybe that will help it not get canceled (Survivor, Amazing Race, and one other one).
Cole Hankin is a survivor of one of John Wakefield's murder attempts. Although he didn't die, he got 3rd defree burns on most of his body and the right side of his face.
Alright, back to the 2 theories that I though were really good.
Maggie Krell, the Wedding Planner:
-Her wereabouts are unknown for every single murder, and her wereabouts even prove her guiltiness in the death of the reverend. (She is seen alone with him shortly before he is murdered.)
- Right before the reverend is murdered, he is seen talking to Maggie. She gives him a bag of stuff, knowing he would shortly be leaving. She followed him and decapitated him in the woods. The reason for this is so that she can take over the wedding rehearsal and killMr. Wellington.
- When Lucy falls into the ditch, you see the killer's hand pulling a match out of a small box. On the box is written"Candlewick Inn." Maggie is the manager of the Candlewick Inn, and has easy access to those specific matches.
-When Hunter is killed on the boat, for a short second, it shows a small plaque on the shotgun that says"made for the Candlewick Inn." Only maggie would have access to the Inn's shotgun as she is the manager.
- During the wedding rehearsal, Maggie is in charge. She has everyone in certain positions, and knows where every single person is. As soon as she sees that her target, Mr. Wellington, is under the chandelier, she tells someone to hit the lights, knowing that it would trigger the trap.
- Maggie is the one who organized the scavenger hunt,knowing it would seperate everyone.
- When Maggie is talking to Henry, the little girl and JD throw firecrackers next to them. Maggie sees JD do this. She then takes a firecracker they threw at her, and places it in the church. She frames JD, knowing Henry will think it is JD, thus seperating them. Henry tells JD that "he doesn't want to see him anymore."This will probably cause JD to leave the island, meaning he will be singled out and killed.
All the points above were copied from a forum post that I agree with, and here are my thoughts below:
She knows the island well, and everything needed for the wedding to get cancelled. She was the one to report the dishes breaking (and was the first to bring it up). She knew about Kelly's mom dieing, thereby knowing that she would be the perfect one to kill.
She also had the ability to rig the boat Hunter Jennings rode from the Candlewick Inn. Finally, she was also the one to tell someone to turn off the lights right when Thomas Wellington was under the chandiler (which according to her everything-must-be-ready style should've already been turned off).
She also was there during the killings of John Wakefield, and even had a quote in the newspaper. Also she seems very content with her lifestyle which means money probably wouldn't mean much to her (explains her leaving Uncle Marty's bag)
Problems: Not really any known reason why she would do all this, she also seems to really like the all the ex-islanders back. The first episode basically is the only episode that proves against her, b/c she was never seen in the same scene as Uncle Marty, and wasn't on the boat to kill Cousin Ben.
Well, the other one was Henry Dunn, but there are more problems for him to be the murder than positives...so I don't think its him.
-Abigail (presumed name) Mills --> no motive or opportunity
-Henry Dunn --> no motive and/or opportunity--motive against it: Patricia
-Patricia Wellington --> doesn't appear to have the mental capacity to kill
-Chloe Carter --> Possibly, due to only her obsession with Wakefield; has no alibi for almost all of the murders
-Cal Vandeusen --> doesn't appear to have the mental capacity to kill
-Thomas Wellington --> seventh victim
-Charles (presumed name) Mills --> think about it, does he really seem like a serial killer? Although, maybe it's like Chloe, maybe he became a little too obsessed with Wakefield
-Jimmy Mance --> doesn't appear to have the mental capacity to kill
-JD Dunn --> possible conspirator; episode five--but no opportunity for Ben, and why kill Marty? And I don't think he knew about Hunter
-Christopher "Sully" Sullivan --> he's just an ass, he wouldn't kill anyone
-Hunter Jennings --> sixth victim
-Marty Dunn --> second victim
-Doctor Campbell --> try to convince me he's the killer
-Robin Matthews --> a little creepy, but until I know more about her I can't tell
-Shea Allen --> doesn't seem to have the mental capacity
-Richard Allen --> nothing to outright prove it, but nothing to disrove it either
-Madison Allen --> possible conspirator; creepy, knows a little too much for someone her age; "one by one..." scene
-Katherine Wellington --> things to prove it are quickly disproven; think about it, I know they're there, I just forgot them ^^"
-Daniel (presumed name) Brooks --> doesn't seem to have the mental capacity
-Malcolm Ross --> he wouldn't kill anyone unless it really benefitted him, but doesn't seem to have the mental capacity
-Joel Booth --> definitely doesn't have the mental capacity
-Bethany (presumed name) Barrington --> doesn't seem to have the mental capacity
-Shane Pierce --> he's just an ass, wouldn't kill anyone; is being held in jail after episode three
-Nikki Bolton --> tough, but probably wouldn't kill without a damn good reason; definitely didn't kill Kelly
-Maggie Krell --> possible, thanks to coolguy111606's previous post; motive and opportunity for some killings, but not all
-Kelly Seaver --> fourth victim
-Lucy Daramour --> even if she wasn't the fifth victim, she didn't have the mental capacity for much of anything, much less killing
-Reverend Fain --> third victim
-Benjamin (presumed name) Wellington --> first victim
-John Wakefield --> read any of my previous posts
-Cole Hankin --> I'm not sure
you know, the murderer is listed within the 25 main characters, (but that doesn't mean they are the only ones to die).
Oh yeah, more info on Cole Hankin, he is the ex-deputy of Harper's island, I think he resigned after his incident with John Wakefield.
...But according to my mom, no matter who the killer is, it'll be a cliché ending.
I guess it all depends on how it's done.
And on the fact that there's no episode this weekend, (according to my mother again) that might be due to the fact that it would end on the fourth of July, and CBS knew no one would watch it then.(Especially since in Canada it airs on Thursdays still.)
...Hopefully that's the reason.
Hankin
Wakefield
Charlie
Old possibilities:
Chloe
Alleged accomplice:
JD (with Hankin)
Victims:
Ben, decapitated by boat
Marty, chopped in half --> found (it’s about damn time) fourth by JD and Abby
Reverend, trapped and decapitated, later dismembered --> found third by Charlie and Deputy
Kelly, hung with eyes injected with red ink --> found first by Nikki
Lucy, burned
Hunter, shot by a trap --> found second by groomsmen, sunk
Booth, shot himself --> in front of and buried by Malcolm
Wellington, split down center --> at wedding rehearsal
Richard, impaled with harpoon before being dragged away
Total: 9, averaging 1.5 per episode (yes I calculated, I’m bored)
Oh dear. Oh my.
Oh the fun I’ll have in my fanfic.
I don’t think it was Chloe anymore because after seeing more of her, I don’t believe she has the mental capacity to kill one person, let alone nine.
I’ll start with Charlie’s, since it requires the least explaining. His obsession could have driven him to insanity, causing him to recreate the Wakefield murders. He’s obviously hiding something about Wakefield.
But he had no opportunity for Ben, and I don’t think JD is conspiring with him.
Wakefield. Who’s to say that body is Wakefield’s? Could be a cover-up by Charlie. All those years, maybe it was Wakefield. (This one actually required the least explaining.)
Hankin. Could be his way of revenge, I suppose...insane people do have weird motives (near-death experiences can cause insanity).
To put it bluntly, Hankin and JD are accomplices. JD is most likely the scapegoat.
Ben: this is most likely JD’s doing. No one really knows where he was. And Hankin was probably on the island.
Marty: Could be either one. JD because, according to Henry, he “hated Marty”; other reason listed at end. Hankin because maybe JD did something that Hankin didn’t like and got back at him (has anyone noticed there seems to be an abundance of passive-aggressive people on the island?). Or maybe they killed him for the sake of killing him.
Reverend: probably JD because he didn’t want Henry to be married.
Kelly: I’m leaning towards Hankin, since JD claimed to like Kelly. Maybe JD told her something he shouldn’t have. Maybe JD killed her for the sake of killing her, and he said he liked Kelly to make Charlie think he wasn’t the killer.
Lucy: Probably a random killing just for the sake of killing.
Hunter: Since Marty’s bag was in there, I’m thinking maybe Hankin or JD intended that for someone else since I don’t think either knew Hunter was there. But maybe they did and it was meant for him.
Booth: I choose to believe he shot himself. He was putting the gun down, he was a little careless, it slipped the wrong way, and bam! he hit a vein and died.
Wellington: probably JD. “firecracker” my ass. Same reason the reverend was probably killed and possibly Marty.
Richard: probably killing for the sake of killing
Why JD? Why not someone else? I think JD was jealous of Henry. He was getting married to the girl he loved, a beautiful one, who was a Wellington. I think JD was jealous of Henry’s happiness, since JD never really seemed too happy. That’s probably why Marty, the reverend, and Wellington was killed; so there’d be no wedding. No wedding --> Henry’s not happy. JD also claimed to dislike Henry (to Madison, episode five: “Just because you’re related to someone doesn’t mean you have to like them.”). So when whatever happened to form the alliance between JD and Hankin occurred, JD was more than happy to.
Who’s next? Due to previews, I have to say JD. As I’ve stated, he’s most likely a scapegoat. My guess is: People begin to really suspect him --> caught --> possibly arrested --> killed by Hankin or maybe even himself.
now watch it be someone like Beth...:)
I did not know that, but...um...I put the lists there each time because it helps me remember stuff. *has a horrible memory*
@ineedcoffee
What scene did you get that from
EDIT (for previous post):
I looked up Hankin, and I found out his last name was Harkin. The edit button on the post is messing up (damn dialup never loads anything), so...yeah. Minor detail, but it bothers me...>>"
There should be a section for fanfictions somewhere on the site, like in the forums or something...>>"
There are a lot of flaws in JD being the killer, but also a lot of pros too, but I'm too tired to think of them right now.
One thing I'm thinking of right now, is why did Madison unlock the door? My theory is that she has a strong connection with Wakefield's spirit, and that he influenced her to get JD out, so that he can do the killing. But then why run to Harkin (also nice find on the correct spelling).
Also note that Maggie had the key to were JD was being locked.
Thats all I'm going to point out now, maybe I'll review later, and come up with something good.