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Debate Do you think Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim?
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My answer is still the same: I don't care what religion he is. He identifies as a Christian, so I consider him Christian.
I'm kidding.
But seriously, I don't care what he prays to. It really wouldn't change anything. I have no reason to believe he's lying about his religion.
If the aprehension is based on his name, I know a Muslim names Joseph. I'm pretty sure it's allowed.
Seriously though, I don't understand why his religion matters at all. Or why his own words aren't good enough for people.
Also, 4/5ths of Kenyan's are link. There is no country in the world where everyone is all the same religion.
And of.course the presidents religion matters, if we have a muslim one he could try turn us to sharia! Or else turn us into easy prey, like obamas doing- he's slowly leading the country to communism and the countrys going to the dogs!
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I don't know, and I don't think it matters.
Even if he was a Muslim, I have to ask, why would that be so bad? Most of the Muslim world isn't exactly united. The largest group of Muslims in the world is in Indonesia, and they don't get along at all with the Arabic Muslims. I say this because it seems you're assuming some harm comes from a leader being Muslim. What harm? Do you think it would suddenly make him eager to sell our assets to Saudi Arabia? Do you think he would push to institute a new legal system in this country akin to Sharia Law? Amazing how he is taking his time getting to that. Three and a half years, he must really be playing a slow game.
Ah, the "no true Scotsman fallacy. No debate is complete without at least one popping up.
America is a melting pot. It's filled with different races, genders, backgrounds, political leanings and different religions. If you want our president to be "reflective" shouldn't he reflect the varied people in America? Shouldn't we be welcoming a president that is reflective of the not all of America is Christian fact?
And of.course the presidents religion matters, if we have a muslim one he could try turn us to sharia! Or else turn us into easy prey, like obamas doing- he's slowly leading the country to communism and the countrys going to the dogs!
I cannot tell if you are being serious or not. Honestly.
Do you know what the Sharia Law says? What it actually says, not what Fox News tells you? Do you know anything about Islam (again, what Islam is really about)? Do you know what communism really is? (Again, Fox News does not count as a credible source here.)
Also, while you're researching, you should probably look into other religions, or at least at how to interact with them without greatly offending them. Most Pagans won't be as "open-minded" to you calling them "devil worshipers" as I have. Nor will Muslims take very kindly to your wildly absurd claims about what their agenda is, and what they would do if one of them became president.
Just a friendly tip.
Sharia law is Muslim law from the kuran. It involves people HAVING to be Muslim! And I know what communism is, thanks. Just look at all the things he's doing,like Obamacare!
If you know what communism is, you're doing a bad job of representing it. Sharia Law and communism don't really go together, in any way. If that's the only thing you know about Sharia Law, then bri-marie is absolutely right, you don't know anything about it beyond the talking points you've heard on Fox News (which are wrong). If you think Obamacare is communist, then you are huffing paint thinner, because that kind of hyperbole requires that you're high as a kite.
Just because he's a minority, doesn't mean he's someone people can't connect with. He's black (which is a minority) and yet thousands of people can connect with him. I can connect more with him than Romey, despite the fact I'm white (and female).
And then you run into an issue of "who's the majority?" California has the biggest population. Should we only have presidents from California?
There are more women than men. Should we never again have a male president?
Protastant is the largest Christian branch. Should we never again have a Catholic president?
the interests of that majority.
The interests of the majority should be the interest of the country as a whole, which means letting the minorities have their say, being tolerant of those minorities, and trying to make the country function in a way that gives everyone as equal an opportunity if possible.
Religion does not have to play a part in that.
If the interest of the majority is to make sure everyone is the same religion (ironically, a religion that gives cis, white, rich men all the power), then I will definitely agree with you that this country is "doing to the dogs."
Sharia law is Muslim law from the kuran. It involves people HAVING to be Muslim!
Just look at all the things he's doing,like Obamacare!
All you're doing is proving my point. You don't know anything about Islam, communism, or the Sharia Law. (Fun fact: it's about to how conduct their personal religious lives. It's not a "law" in the sense that anyone must do any thing.)
Also, please explain how Obamacare is communist. Or why communism is a bad thing.
And I'm not watching Fox News, since I've been living in New Zealand the past month, that doesn't affect anything at all!
Of.course.communism is a bad.thing, it nearly.destroyed the world! The whole philosophy of it is.completely wrong anyway!
Obamacare is a tax for the people who have worked the hardest to give to the lazy to keep being lazy!
And yes, Hussein is a muslim name!,
Pagan, pagan, pagan, God is derived from pagan religions! ALL of them are! Whether you like it or not, every religious person is pagan.
Devil worship? Yeah, right. Devil worshipers haven't been known to kill thousands of millions of people in crusades.
He should be Christian? No, he should be himself. Just because a lot of people in this country are part of one religion doesn't mean this is a theocracy. We created this country to get away from theocracy.
And as for true Americans? Let's talk about that. Lemme guess, you probably don't remember Native Americans, do you? THOSE people are true Americans, we are not. We are immigrants who destroyed their land and their people.
And he should reflect a good person, and be a person, he shouldn't be the reflection of one group's views, that can be very bad or violent.
Dictatorships=/=communism.
Communism is an ideal situation with an unlikely chance of happening. And it's wrong only if you make it wrong. Equality for all doesn't sound bad at all.
Technically, NZ is a form of enemy against the United States because of out anti-nuclear policy. We are, I think, the only country banned from docking at some specific ports because we refuse to allow US nuclear ships near us. Now, if you have been living here for a month, you'll note that we are not, by any stretch of the imagination, an Islamic country.
Me and my brother are both named after European cities (ie cities in Scotland etc), yet we were born and raised in NZ, by NZ born parents. So because my name comes from another country, does that mean I'm from that country?
Yes I'm in NZ, but I'm American, and I miss it :( and yes NZ is like one of the most liberal countries ever! It's ridiculous! The politicians and the voters here are so stupid!
What? Australia and NZ are both American allies, they support us against China, and they're great strategic places.
That's just a name like Paris or something- Hussein is in the kuran and only Muslims are named it.
By killing and destroying everything in sight, yeah, how incredibly amazing. Now we're the laughing stock of the world. I am soooo impressed.
Can I ask why are you in my "stupid" "liberal" country? You don't have to answer. I find that hilarious because we currently have the most conservative government in a long time that has systematically shut down various policies relating to health and welfare, and is in the process of selling off our assets to the highest bidder. This current government that you think is so stupid is the equilalvent of the American Republican party. So I totally agree: I think the current NZ government is leading us into a shit hole because they are focused on big business which has widened the gap between the rich and the poor dramatically recently, while homegrown issues like student debt, poverty and health are ignored.
NZ is not 100% allied with America because of the nuclear issue. America continues to throw a mega-tantrum about our refusal to accept your nuclear energy.
Again, your logic is that anyone named Adam or Eve or Mary or Joseph or Jesus or Peter or Eden or Mark or Paul or Zach or Isaiah or Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter must be a christian?
No they're Western names, not specifically Christian names.
The biggest issue we have faced in years has been the economic collapse brought about by a conservative American government and its banking system.
I'm glad all the people you meet here are liberal. Maybe some will rub off on you and unclutter your brain of all this bizarre propaganda.
No, I declare that all names in the Bible are christian names and therefore all people with names from the Bible are christians and if your name isn't in the bible, you are clearly a dirty, stinkin' Atheist. That is, essentially, your logic here, correct?
I put my two sense in because I think it is strange his name hasn't changed but by no means does him having a Hebrew and Muslim name doesn't make him unchristian. I think there are just as many crazy Christians as there are Crazy *insert religion* so I think that this a fair question because it is fun to analyze something but try to have some more respect for the CEO of our Country, provided that you are an American citizen
* May or may not be true, but it is definitely true. I just made that up then based on ignorance, propaganda and something a homeless man yelled at me once.
No. Most Muslims you know change their names. But you don't know "most Muslims."
Its not uncommon to have a different names to associate or disassociate yourself from a culture or religion
Actually, it is uncommon. There are over 300 billion people in the U.S. Only link people change their name. But name change also includes
-marriage
-divorce
-transgender people wanting a new name to reflect their gender
-same sex partners wanting to share surenames
-an umarried couple wanted to hyphenate their names
as well as religious reasons.
There are books for days that explain how people make new "names" for themselves to identify with a religion or culture.
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I couldn't find any statistics in Africa, but I did find that the people have to apply for their name to be changed and that link needs to feel the reason for the change is "good and sufficient", and they have the right to deny the change if they don't feel this way. Marriage, divorce, and surnames of minor children are pretty much the only reasons they accept.
Also, making a new legal name for yourself, and making a nickname for yourself are two very different concepts.
Ok let me clear up the confusion, you have a birth name yes, its on everyone birth certificate (to those who have ones) however you can change you name in the sense of what the public can or want you want them to call you. Its not a legal change of name where you are almost a have to change your social security number but I guess the best way to explain is the way you put it a "nickname" but that is not really it either.
My point again is that most people who convert to a religion or culture have a name to associate to it. Ie my friend Kim, Soo-jin her Christian name is Mary because it is to associate her with that religion.
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Names are a bit complex because you can have more than one, I am not referring to change you given name (the name you get when you are born) but most people but more a name you want people to know you by because of a change in lifestyle or you simply change or setting.
Yes. That is called legally changing your name. Those aren't very common at all.
however you can change you name in the sense of what the public can or want you want them to call you.
Yes. i get that too. And those are extremely common. However, this pick is talking about the President of the United States. He can't be addressed by some random name he picked out of a book. (Especially given all the hype about where he was born and what religion he is.)
Why are you implying that Obama converted to Christianity?
From what I've read, Obama grew up as a non practicing Baptist.
Considering that is full name is Barack Heussain Obama II, he's named such because he was named after his father and his father's father, and such. It's a name passed down through generations. If he changed it, it wouldn't be the same name anymore.
Paul in the bible was first named Saul (Jewish name) but when he became a Christian he changed his name to Paul, same with Abram to Abraham, same with Jacob to Israel.
Its just typical Eastern culture, which alot of the popular religion's origin come from the Eastern societies.
I am more Eastern and like I told Bri-Marie, a name is not just heritage but also identity. Yes he has a "II" in his name but he also has Hebrew and Arabian names, i just find it funny is all, some people who convert to a religion have a name they are called by to identity with that religion.
My name may be Muhammad Ali, but if I chose to convert, my given name my be Muhammad Ali but I would want people to call me what I identify myself with first like Mark Anthony if I was a Christian or something, its just a way of doing things
Oh wait - it must be because I'm secretly a Muslim and has nothing to do with the utter facepalmfail of this absolutely irrelevant and ignorant question.
I tolerate many things, and conservatives have many good ideas and can be very intelligent and articulate. But this "debate" does not embody any of those virtues.
link, where are you when I need you?
Okay, now that is a bit offensive to me. So you're saying pagans worship the devil? WTF?! Most pagans don't even believe in the devil! I don't!
he should be Christian like a true American
WTF?! So you're saying Americans that aren't Christian aren't true Americans?! What the hell is wrong with you?! I'm a Pagan who has been in America since birth. Doesn't that make me just as American as you? And there are tons of Americans, true Americans, who are Jews, Athiests, Muslims, Pagans, Buddhists, Sihks, etc.
most Americans are Christian, and he should reflect that.
No, he should not be one just because most Americans are. He should be whatever he wants. That's why we have freedom of religion.
Ehh, my given names are Chantal Claire Desirée. Those are all French. Yet, there's nothing French about me nor do I speak the language.
Besides he was born in Hawaii, not in the middle of Saudi Arabia or Indonesia or something.
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