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posted by JNTA1234
Though not nearly as much as Merida and other revival princesses,Tiana is occasionally bashed for contributing to Disney's current trend of "meta", "woke" commentary with her whole "hard work, you can't just wish" shtick. While this does irritate me, I try to separate film makers' intentions from the actual context of the movie and the character.

In the first act of the film, she's portrayed as diligent and determined but she's not as in your face about it. For the most part, her thing is "partying and dancing just isn't my for me". She's not insistent, condescending or critical of others for their values. In fact, her friends and her mother are the ones being critical of her, and when her friends call her out for her workaholic nature, you can see in her reactions and facial expressions that it does bother her.

It's when she turns into a frog that a more arrogant and self-righteous Tiana emerges, but to be fair, these characteristics seem to stem from her reactions to Naveen's equally arrogant carefree ways. Perhaps the writers went too far in making them "foils" to each other, and thus both their personalities come off a bit too heavy handed. Naveen is just as mean and judgmental towards Tiana as she is to him, and let's be honest, Tiana has more right to be upset with him than the other way around.

That's why her dismissive attitude is understandable, as far as she was concerned, Naveen was someone who had just potentially ruined her whole life. At that time, in her eyes, this whole problem was all his fault, the only thing she truly did wrong was not clarifying that she wasn't really a princess and even that doesn't affect Naveen, his situation wasn't any worse off than it was before after they kissed, Tiana's was.

One princess who Tiana is surprisingly similar to in a few ways is Ariel, they both have relentless determination and they're both rather stubborn. Tiana is so stubborn that Naveen learns the errors of his ways much quicker than she does. It takes until her confrontation with Dr. Facilier near the end to realize what was truly important and the wise words of her mother and Mama Odie finally break through,

So it's not like the film is portraying her as in the right for working all the time and everyone else is in the wrong for criticizing her, (unlike Belle's situation with the townspeople) particularly, after the musical number Dig A Little Deeper where Tiana completely ignores the underlying message of the song and still insists on her hard work motto, Mama Odie and her animals are very much annoyed with her. We're certainly not meant to side with her in that context.

I think the reason why PATF doesn't infuriate me as much as Frozen is, while it does have that whole obnoxious "look, we're subverting Disney tropes" crap, it does embrace the trope it's criticizing. Throughout the film, Tiana is consistently given evidence both for and against wishes and by the end of the film, she does learn that there may be some truth to this concept.

Tiana's problem was that she only paid attention to HALF of her father's motto, (the hard work aspect) he never dismissed or belittled the idea of wishing and dreaming and while it isn't done in the most flawless way, Tiana does in time realize that. Is it really fair to call a character "anti-wishing" or "anti-fun" when a big part of her character arc is learning the value of those things?

That's the whole point of Ray and Evangeline, Tiana's starting to realize that maybe the restaurant isn't what's most important and she asks Evangeline, the evening star, for help, something she wouldn't do normally. When she lashes out at Ray it's because she's frustrated and again, she's been getting conflicting messages about the effectiveness of wishes. Later, she sees proof when Ray dies and is "united" with Evangeline, his wish was granted.

Yes, she was rude to Ray regarding Evangeline but she was only speaking out of hurt, Ray himself actually acknowledges that. And as for learning to have fun, that's the whole point of her relationship with Naveen. He teaches her to have more fun and she teaches him to take things more seriously. They balance each other out, and that's really the message, balancing hard work with concepts like wishing, love and fun, which is what everyone's telling Naveen and especially Tiana throughout the whole film.

Ultimately, I don't think PATF is as annoyingly and condescendingly subversive and "meta" as Brave and Frozen. Brave's "I don't need a prince" thing was exacerbated by making all her suitors pathetic morons while Frozen really takes a jab at "the love at sight" thing by making the charming prince the villain. PATF's subversion is more on par with Moana's, it's still slightly annoying but it doesn't really patronize and antagonize the trope and the concept, if anything Tiana is the one who's antagonized for being so critical of it.
posted by WinterSpirit809
I actually got this idea from disnerdtobe, who got this idea from anukriti, and I actually want to do the same, since I have a lot of princesses I relate to. That being said, this will be very hard, but keep in mind, these are princesses I myself relate to. It is also set up a little differently than disnerdtobe's

Not Relatable



Making up a majority of this part of the list are Golden Era princesses. I think they were relatable to the girls in their time period which I think is why I personally don't relate to them. That isn't to say that there aren't people who relate to these princesses-...
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Disney love songs.
Disney love songs.
Hi guys, since I love traveling, I would like to write down some nice cities on which the Disney Princess and their respective princes will fall in love with since Valentine's Day is coming soon.

1. Manchester, England, UK

Snow White and Prince Ferdinand will definitely love this city, it is very country-oriented and Snow White will consider this as her second home!

2. Milan, Italy

Since France is a neighbour to Italy, Cinderella will carry her duties with Prince Kit by making her first official state visit there. They will definitely love this city even more than Paris.

3. Prague, Czech Republic...
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Hello everyone! Okay maybe this "favorite princess list article" sounds too mainstream on this club. But as I find I rarely create any favorite list article unlike most of users here, I decide to write one.

Happy reading ^.^

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11. Jasmine



Aladdin is one of the interesting Disney prince, but the same thing not happen with Jasmine. Nothing special with her. During the movie I just saw her as a princess who was forced to marriage under the law. Nothing more than that. What I like from her is only how generous and outspoken she is. Unless for me, she is lack of development, probably because...
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We wish you a Merry Christmas!
We wish you a Merry Christmas!
So, imagine if all of the princesses gather together on Christmas Eve and here are the lists of famous carols or any songs that are Christmas related from famous Christmas films.

1. Believe (The Polar Express)

I absolutely adore this song from the film, it was originally sung by Josh Groban but was later covered by Jackie Evancho. The lyrics has a message about believing during Christmas especially.

2. As Long as There's Christmas (Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas)

Since this is Belle's song, the other princesses can join in as the chorus or they could 'echo' her words when she sings...
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Hello guys!! To those who recognize me, I hope you're all doing well! I've been busy with college apps and life in general, but I've been well! To those who don't, nice to meet you! I used to frequent this site a couple years ago. :) Anyway I'm just going to go straight into the review! There won't be any large plot type spoilers, but if you want to go in knowing absolutely nothing, I would recommend not reading!

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I just got home from seeing this beautiful film and I need to let out all my feelings somewhere, but hopefully this will be somewhat coherent and not come across as a giant rant...
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Now a lot of you are probably thinking, 'bluethunder25 Gothel can't be redeemed because first of all, she was 'too evil,' and two, she died from old aging and turned to dust.

Well as you know, I've stated in previous articles that I don't feel Gothel is entirely evil. As for the second one, if Gothel did in fact turn to dust, then I say, that means she has a good chance to come back to life which also means she has a good chance of a redemption. How? Allow me to explain.

Now first of all, before you all freak out, no, Gothel's redemption won't be overnight, in fact, for Gothel's redemption arc,...
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Which Disney Princess got to live in the most beautiful house? Which ruled the hearts of fans - the cottages, mansions or humble homes?
Fans have voted and results are in! Here's a look how fans ranked the DP homes.

12. Aladdin's home:
Most fans understood that this barely counted as a home, but more like a shelter to rest at night. It barely had anything, not even a door. Even though it had a great view, beautiful it surely wasn't.




anukriti2409: This is really an abandoned place, which Aladdin uses for shelter. It's really downtrodden, with no furniture or gate or windows or curtains. It's...
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1. Sparkly dress
1. Sparkly dress
We now begin a new era of disney the Renaissance. Disney Princesses are coming in fast and we start with Ariel. I will not be including her as a Mermaid simply because this is her as a woman in a dress not with a tail on. If I was to rate her as a mermaid it would be 10 but as a human 0. I will also not involve her night wear.

1. Sparkly dress
Ariel is now a human she walks from under the sea to meet prince Eric, but unable to speak for now. Her dress made by Triton is a sparkly silver dress with no accessories on her. It may be nice evening but for me it's missing something attention seeking...
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1. Working dress
1. Working dress
Hi there, My next princess will be Cinderella. She has a few more outfits than snow white so we will be having more information today.

1. Working dress
I must begin by saying it's not a dress It's just a blue top with a brown like vest on, brown skirt, white apron with brown flat plump shoes. Like snow whites it's not an outfit you would go on a date with or meet a handsome prince but for a worker then its the best for the job. 5/10

2. Ball dress A
Those step sisters just can't stand her and her dress as it was quickly destroyed. The dress is a pink mainly with a white lower section, pink heels...
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