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posted by SpeedyGonzalez
I Speedy Gonzalez did not write this I merely copied and pasted it. The original may be found link.

I got Breaking Dawn on the day that it came out and was hoping that Meyer would somehow redeem the steadily deteriorating quality of the Twilight series. What a huge disappointment. I was even more disappointed when I found out how Meyer was responding to the criticism towards it. Then I discovered that she was writing Midnight Sun. I looked forward to that because, even though all of the books suck, they are a guilty pleasure and Twilight was the best of all of them. Then she stopped writing it! So, here I am, complaining about how these incidents are further proof of Meyer's suckage.

Breaking Dawn turned many Twilighters anti. A lot of them remained fans but refused to acknowledge it as canon. And then there are others who just eat up everything that Meyer craps out. There are many reasons as to why Breaking Dawn is the biggest literary fail produced by Meyer so far.

- Renesmee. Stupid name. Shouldn't exist. You said vampires couldn't have kids. WTF.
- Jacob imprinting on Renesmee WHEN SHE HAS JUST BEEN BORN. Paedophilia. To the max. And Jacob was in love with her mum, her dad his rival for her love. WTF.
- The "fight." No fight. No conflict. Just... WTF.

I'll stop there because this rant is about Meyer being horrible and infantile. The point is, there are damn good reasons to hate Epic Fai- uh, I mean, Breaking Dawn. However, Meyer has said that people will get used to it, like they got used to Pattinson playing Edward, and that some people are just impossible to please. No. You are saying that nothing is wrong with what you've written. You are saying that it is the fault of your fans if they don't like it. You are being a bitch. She seems to think that she is a good writer with wonderful books and, if anyone doesn't like them, it's because they're weird and wrong.

Now, I think, is the time to introduce Seth Morgan. Seth is Stephenie Meyer's brother. He runs her site and also comes off as arrogant. He does not allow any emails to reach his sister that say anything short of OMG STEPHANEI U R MAZNG A LIETRARY J3SUS AND GOD!11!1 LOL I LUV UR BOKS TH3Y R MASTERPEC3S!1!!!1!1!, preventing Meyer from receiving any kind of criticism, which is not helping with her apparent case of narcissism. A big example of this is this petition:

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If this is a case of TL;DR (too long; didn't read) for you, the petition demands an explanation for the fail that is Breaking Dawn. Actually, all these people want is to be acknowledged by Meyer, as she brushes off everyone who doesn't like it as a "minority" who will either "get used to it" or are "impossible to please." It points out the flaws in the book. When it got 1000 signatures, this letter was sent to Seth:

Seth,

I completely understand that you are not the whipping boy for Stephenie Meyer, but she has given us no address to reach her directly, so sadly, I have few choices- and one of them was to send this to you.

My name is Heather Faust, and I have written a letter to Stephenie and to Little, Brown. As suggested by a number of others on message boards, I posted this letter as a "petition." Today we reached a thousand signatures. (It has only been live for a few days.) We will continue to leave it live and see how it grows.

I feel that it is well written and respectful, and I would hope that you would take a few minutes to read it. If it gets through to Stephenie, well, I'd be thrilled. We are not looking to hurt her, we aren't looking for her to rewrite it... We just want our opinions acknowledged, and we'd like to no longer be referred to as a "vocal minority." We'd also love it if she'd be able to answer our concerns with more than just "it's fiction," "I'm not a biology major" or other brush offs. We don't, of course expect that at all. But just a simple "Yes, I hear you, I'm sorry that you were disappointed" would be enough for us.

Anyway, sorry that you are in the middle of all of this. That must suck for you.

Thanks for your time


I like the above letter. It's polite, and clearly all they want is for Meyer to stop ignoring the people who have some well founded criticism for Breaking Dawn. Here is Seth's response:

Heather,
First, let me assure you that I will not forward this email to Stephenie. You say that you are not looking to hurt her, but it would be ignorant to believe that criticism of any kind does not hurt the person to whom it is directed. I didn't even forward any of the 35 emails that I received today telling me (or Stephenie) how much they loved Breaking Dawn, how the series changes their lives, etc.
There are a few other reasons why I would not forward the link to this "petition." (By the way, you have heard that online petitions never generate results, right?). I disagree that it is "well written." Besides the grammar mistakes (which are not hard to overlook), you address the letter to Stephenie, but by the end of the first paragraph you refer to "Meyer" in the third person. I am not sure if you are speaking to her or not. Also, the "signatures" (which are completely invalid) are not just names, but a discussion board. I went to one page and found three people defending Breaking Dawn and saying things like "I am surrounded by self absorbed teenagers or adults that think they can write better books and never do!"
And, although I got very bored and wasn't able to read the entire "petition," I want to try to answer a few of your main points (although I'm sure that Stephenie's answers would be a lot better than mine):
#1 and #2: At the end of Eclipse, Alice specifically says that nobody has ever made the conscious decision to become a vampire, and so none of them had any idea how Bella would handle the entire process.
#3 and #4 (and everything else in your : These books are fiction. They are filled with FICTIONAL characters that Stephenie made up all by herself. In an attempt to keep the books clean and not make young girls think about things that they don't need to think about, no other book mentioned anything about reproductive systems. They are Stephenie's characters, she can decide anything that she wants.

And finally, Heather, your letter is not respectful at all. It is libelous in many instances. I would be embarrassed to say such things about someone who I have never met.


What. A. Fucking. Asshole. He's not allowing any criticism to reach Meyer because it's 'hurtful.' Criticism is necessary when you're in the public eye as a goddamned writer. Not everyone is going to bow down at your sister's feet. This is one of the reasons why she's so up herself. He's not letting her get criticism that makes her think "Hm, okay, I could do that better" but, then again, I think Meyer's most likely a hopeless case. Then he says "Oh, by the way, you're an idiot for voicing your opinions because who gives a crap about them." I love how he says that he disagrees that it's a well written letter then says TL;DR. Lolwut? Even better is the line "FICTIONAL characters that Stephenie made up all by herself." Really? All by herself? Who's a clever wittle Stephie Wephie! He also explains everything away as it being fiction. These two really annoy me with the way that they think about fiction. "Whatever, it's not real." That doesn't mean that it's allowed to not make sense. He proceeds to insult the letter that Heather sent. You look at her letter and tell me what's libelous in there. He is threatening her. She explained herself and apologised and, my god, I quite possibly hate you more than your sister. You are encouraging Meyer's childishness, idiot.

Hey, everybody, remember Midnight Sun? It was Twilight told from Edward's point of view, and was put on hold indefinitely by Meyer after the first few chapters were leaked on the internet. The issue that I have with this whole Midnight Sun business is that Meyer has just refused to write any more, letting down all of her fans, then expected to be coddled. Here are some choice quotes from her statement after Midnight Sun was leaked:

"I think it is important for everybody to understand that what happened was a huge violation of my rights as an author, not to mention me as a human being."

Whoa, your rights as a human being?

"...I control the copyright and it is up to the owner of the copyright to decide when the books should be made public; this is the same for musicians and filmmakers."

The only difference is that musicians and filmmakers don't turn around and say "Oh, music/film isn't like Maths, you know. We're too sad to continue working now, so we'll put it on hold indefinitely."

"My first feeling was that there was no way to continue. Writing isn't like math; in math, two plus two always equals four no matter what your mood is like. With writing, the way you feel changes everything. If I tried to write Midnight Sun now, in my current frame of mind, James would probably win and all the Cullens would die, which wouldn't dovetail too well with the original story. In any case, I feel too sad about what has happened to continue working on Midnight Sun, and so it is on hold indefinitely."

Midnight Sun is a rewrite of Twilight. You know what happens in Twilight. So how can you screw up your own story so badly as to make the bad guys win and the 'good' guys die? That is a ridiculous argument to make. I get that writing can sometimes become a chore instead of a hobby, which is what happened to Rowling. But Rowling didn't decide "I feel pressured to write, screw this." Besides that, you're too sad? Aw, poor baby Stephie. Had her human rights violated.

"I'd rather my fans not read this version of Midnight Sun. It was only an incomplete draft; the writing is messy and flawed and full of mistakes."

Huh... Well then, how do you explain the last four books, Meyer? Seriously, Midnight Sun is written in the exact same way as the previous books in the Twilight series. The actual writing isn't any better or worse (thank god it's not worse) than in the other books.

I absolutely hate the way that her fans are acting like it's not her fault. It is. Really. Here's a lovely quote from the internet that puts this into perspective, expresses my feelings on this, and shows just how stupid Meyer is for doing this:

In other news, Barack Obama has declared that he no longer feels like being President after his inauguration speech was leaked onto the Internet.

"If I tried to run the country now," he said, "we'd probably stay in Iraq for another term and the economy would collapse completely, which doesn't dovetail too well with what I wanted to do with [the country]."

And just look at how depressed you've made your fans, Meyer. OMG!!WE CANT LIV WITHOT IT!!!11!!! LITERALLY DIE1!1apple!!!11! There are those idiots, and then there are the fans who are coddling her like she wants them to and starting up all of these "I support Stephenie Meyer" things. No, stop it. You shouldn't be doing that. That's not what she needs. What she needs a smack upside the head. Things are leaked all the time. Where are all of the support groups for those people? Oh, right, they don't exist because they are adults who were mature enough to be reasonable and get the hell over it. One fan's reaction:

"I cried tears today when I read that Stephenie wasn't going to publish Midnight Sun. It was a very unexpected reaction. First I cried for me, then I cried for her because of her sadness at someone's illegal actions."

I can't believe the way that people are treating her over this. Yes, it was illegal and wrong and shouldn't happen, but it does happen. All the time. So shut the hell up and get over it. Especially Meyer, because she is the one letting down all of her fans, not whoever leaked Midnight Sun.
posted by mariella721
Okay guys, I know everyone's got their own opinion and not everyone has the RIGHT opinion, but as a Twilight fan, can one of you Potter fans explain what you guys see in Harry Potter? Honestly, I haven't read all the books, but I've seen all the movies and they just don't make any sense. And another thing, the plot is bland and there's no real depth to it, like in Twilight. Harry Potter, also has no love in it, which makes for a boring story. Anyways, I just wanted to know what you crazies see in those books and stuff...

Okay...
See ya :D

Mariella
xxx
1. its just all thrown together and the movies leave out way to much.
2. it has no meaning just a girl falls in love then is a vampire the end.
3. is just plain stupid.simple as that
4. theres nothing to figure out. its to predictable.
5. it dosent have enough back story which goes back to # 1
6.and stephine myer wants to keep all the good players while j.k. isnt afraid to for the sake of the book
7.why doesnt she mentention why bellas parent got seperated which geos back to #4
8. it has no plot
9. the problem is the same all the way throughout the sires as h.p. faces many problems.
10.its down right boring hmm lets read the same boring thing over and over! yea! NOT!
TEN REASONS TWILIGHT IS HORRIBLE!!!!
posted by RavenclawRocks
Before you all come out with pitchforks and guns, I'd just like to say this is my opinion.

1, Half of the fans only like Twilight, because they think Rob/Taylor is hot.

2, I can't argue about the plot because there isn't one.

3, Bella has no personaility.

4, Edward is just plain creepy.

5, Bella always needs a man in her life. When Edward leaves she needs Jacob. This is really stupid.


6,Bella wouldn't even look at Edward if he wasn't hot.

7, Edward wouldn't look at Bella if she didn't smell good.

8, It gives a bad message. Like kill yourself when your sparkly boyfriend is around. Or there is no point in being happy unless you have a boyfriend. Or it's ok to ditch your friends to date a super hot vampire.

9,Meyer constantly repeats the same words to tell us how hot Edward is. This gets boring after two pages.

10, The actors suck.


There,ten reasons. Feel free to add on more.
posted by i-am-mariella
I’ve seen articles, like bri-marie’s, comparing Bella, Twilight’s “heroine” to the girls and female role models of the Harry Potter books like Hermione and Ginny. I agree with them whole-heartedly and I am happy to follow in the footsteps of strong women from Harry Potter – like Ginny, who is fierce and pretty bad-ass and just overall a strong female, and Hermione, who is studious and smart and witty and the boys often rely on her skills and “genius.” Because let’s face it – and Ron says it himself – where would they be without Hermione?
So I wanted to make my own because...
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"This kiss between Hermione and Ron is highly anticipated, it's been building up for eight films now. And Harry Potter is not Twilight, you know; we're not selling sex." - Emma Watson

If you think Emma Watson is stupid for quoting this, you are outta your mind. You think Twilight's not selling sex? Irony. Irony how some twi-hards reason out "BECAUSE EDWARD CULLEN IS SO SEXY!!!" if asked why Twilight is better than Harry Potter.

For me, Twilight is just popular 'cause it has sex appeal. Wait for several years, no one will be talking about Twilight anymore.. Harry Potter won't be talked about that much but it will never be forgotten.In my case, I know Harry Potter will be a future classic.

Twilight fans go ahead and attack me, whenever you're ready.
Obviously, this spot is about debating Harry Potter and Twilight, and I realised I've never written an article, so I decided to put down all my reasons for Harry Potter being better than Twilight.

Firstly, the 'love' in Twilight is not love. It is over powered lust. To my memory, Edwrad and Bella never have a conversation about from who loves the other more. Edward likes Bella because she smells good, Bella likes Edward because he's 'handsome' (which can't even be proven, he's a book character, we never see him).

The love in Harry Potter is shown as an amazing, all powerful thing that can sace...
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posted by harrypotterbest
Harry woke up the next morning with a feeling as though there was a heavy block in his stomach. He got ready and dressed and went downstairs. Ginny was already at the table, waiting for him. She smiled nervously at him, and he said to her ‘Don’t worry; compared to what we’ve been through, this is practice.’
Ginny laughed, and Harry felt pleased. They got their children ready, and dropped them off at the wizard day care, as every adult wizard would be in the battle.
Harry and Ginny apparated with Ron and Hermione to the Cullen backyard, where the battle would commence. When they got...
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posted by ABDCFan-
'Good Morning Voldemort' - The HP Version on 'Good Morning Baltimore', from the Musical, Hairspray.

Oh, oh, oh
Woke up today
Feeling the way i always do
Oh, oh, oh
Hungry for Magic
That i can't eat
Then i hear that beat
That rhythm of Voldie
Starts calling me down
It's like a message from
High above
Oh, oh, oh
Pulling me out
To the smiles and the
Streets that i love

Good morning Voldemort!
Every day's like an evil encore
Every night is a fantasy
Every sound's like a death to me!

Good morning Voldemort!
And some day when i take to the floor
The world's gonna wake up and see
Voldemort and me!

Oh, oh, oh
Look at my wand...
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posted by MissKnowItAll
I have read a lot of articles etc like this, but I thought I would write m own views down.

One thing I have heard about Twilight being better is that SMeyer is a better writer. I ask you, how on earth is SMeyer a better writer.

Take this sentence from New Moon:

'Suddenly, it(the bike) looked intimidating, frightening, as I realised I would soon be astride it.'

How does that flow as a sentence? It has two separate realisations together in one sentence. I found it awkward to read.

SMeyer doesn’t make us connect with her characters. She doesn’t describe their feeling well at all. She is not a good...
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So I surfing the web when I ran into one of the pages from this site. It was a question asking which would you rather be, a vampire or a wizard? I immediately answered wizard and I added 3 quick reasons why. That was several months ago and now I wondered if my answer was reasonable enough. I also read other people's reason and I admit some of them sounded very childish and naive.

Now I will start by defining the two by their origins. Vampires and wizards, because that was the question. Not Twilight Vampires or HP Wizards, but since that poll was under those topics I'm guessing I will talk...
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posted by roobiip
My question is Is anyone alse tired of this "HP vs Twilight" things??
Because it is driving me crazy..

First of all I need to say I LOVE THEM BOTH so much!! I think HP was extremely original I grew up with it and I looove it.. and Twilight is so romantic, I mean, could they be more crazy about each other?? (NOPE!!), and I looove it too!! (L) =]

However one thing is true:
Most twilight fans ARE crazy, annoying, funny, scary, etc.. being one I talked to many and some were really funny (they actually believed they were going to marry Edward) and others really scared me (because I loved HP too they...
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posted by harrypotterbest
Harry and his friend entered the hotel in high spirits. Hermione, Ron, and Ginny were already there, and one look told them they had been very worried. Ginny glanced at Harry’s wide smile and the newcomer, and said, very icily, “Who is she?” to Harry.
Harry grinned even wider, and J K smiled. “This, Ginny, is the one and only J K Rowling!” He saw their looks of astonishment. “You know,” he added, “she wrote our books!”
“Oh,” said Ginny, sounding rather relieved. Ron laughed.
Hermione looked surprised, but knowing as to why he had brought J K.
“And why did you bring...
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posted by TeamSiriusBlack
Luna looked back and shouted, “EXPELLIARMUS!”
The Death Eater’s wand flew out of his hand.
“Nice shot!” Neville said, looking at her impressed. Luna beamed brightly, as the two continued to run. They both slowed as they neared a room filled with smoke. Neville ran in first and Luna followed close behind. They heard shouts coming from every direction.
“CRUCIO!” There was a scream of agony.
“STUPEFY!”
“AVADA KEDAVRA!”
The last spell seemed closer and both ducked at the same time. They heard a thud as a body hit the floor. Luna ran over there, despite the spells flying everywhere....
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posted by potterrox
People are passionate about defending their books that they love. I know that and I’ve done it. What’s really disturbing is when the users of Fanpop use this site to bring people down or just to openly hate.

Harry Potter and Twilight are going to be compared. No other two books have the same rabid following and they both have strong roots in the supernatural. I welcome debate and exchanging of opinions, when it’s friendly. Some of the comments I’ve seen on these forums could not be called friendly debate. It just makes me sick when I know that there are people out there that are willing...
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